Keybinds - I need opinions on it from everyone.

[Astaroth]

I did. Did you?

Which brings to my response:

Yup, reports for what tho'?
"Omg admen he spam his binds"
- Le no worries, Sauron is here.

Anything else? Will he spam another servers IP with the help of binds?
Player#1: IP.IP.IP.IP.IP:IPIP
Player#1: IP.IP.IP.IP.IP:IPIP
Player#1: IP.IP.IP.IP.IP:IPIP
Player#1: IP.IP.IP.IP.IP:IPIP
Player#1: IP.IP.IP.IP.IP:IPIP
- Dang, Sauron kicks in.
Another thing that can happen, admin bans him.
But why even bother making this example, a player who advertises has clear intentions to get banned. Do you think disallowing keybinds would stop people from breaking rules? :3

How pressing a key that will send constantly the same sentence is improving roleplay in any way?
It just makes it more predictable and annoying.

Not exactly.
As I said above, making RP look more RPish. Using binds only for basic things that people are tired of constantly typing in. Ex:
/em Derp has long hair, black skirt and a guitar in his hand(Character appearance, which I don't think is often used)
 /m.e fishes the keys out of his pocket, gently placing them into the door lock as he twists them - unlocking the door.
etc etc.

[Marcel]

Out of character and in character, oh you know

Wait whut? We don't do that shit here on Argo mayne.

[ClazzyJogel]

People can spam IP's or whatever almost as easy as without keybindings by using the T and up arrow, as we all know.
I remember that one time when I was heading to the bar to buy milk, I flooded like 10 times the "7milk" and the admins questioned me for keybinds because I was so quick

[JDC]

If I walk up to a bunch of people in a roleplay which I never met before, how can "/Anthony is 5'9 tall, 25 y/o, darkhaired, wearing a blue bandana around his head, beige pants, a black shirt. Facetattoos." be annoying?

Overusage of details, especially considering you have a skin. Not to mention they don't need details such as your height or hair color (unless they're blind) or your age. (unless they're telepathic)

No. Just no. The usage of keybinds does not improve roleplay and this is exactly another reason why they are not added, so get that delusion out of your heads. In fact, it only degrades the roleplay by making people too lazy and/or uncreative to type out what they have to do.

A good roleplayer is someone who can portray their character best with less effort, not someone who spams pre-defined "roleplay" lines from some keybind.

Ironic, people have complained that the server's roleplay has degenerated and that /s1-3 /m1-3 have taken the creativity out of fire/medic/police roleplay, then we have these topics...

Argonath does not recognize IC/OOC or other server "roleplay rules", not to mention there is a reason OOC was censored to "for those without brains:". Keep that in mind.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

TOO much unnecesseary stuff about a topic this simple.

Everyone says: People can use keybinds to spam/flood

Well they can also use T and UP arrow, yet they dont spam (well in most of the cases). And screw it, if someone spams way too much, there is Sauron! If Sauron doesnt help, and admin can and will be called, AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

Now just think is all this discussion necesseary when the answer is rather simple?

[TheGreasyChopper]

 Been trying out keybinds to roleplay in other places...It's a no-no for me. Most "RPers" misuse it too much. No, I do not care how tall your character is or the accent he's speaking in. "Ghetto" is not an accent. One /me is wearing clothing associating him to [clique name]. Is enough. Now, I personally would benefit from keybinds in certain situations. Yes, listing my character's patches so others can learn where I stand in AOD is useful...But typing that out can't be that hard in the beginning of a Roleplay. Only thing keybinds would be useful is business adverts, which can be bypassed by Ctrl+C > Ctrl+V. It works ingame, which renders the use of keybinds useless.
 But still, some people think keybinds make their roleplay better. Well, I honestly don't care. It's not about how your character looks like, or where he takes his gun out from. Keeping track in chats be it in /pm or /p, should mean you can also keep up with / me while you are roleplaying. Simple as that.
 They should be allowed, but should not be encouraged.

[EliteTerm]

As I said above, making RP look more RPish. Using binds only for basic things that people are tired of constantly typing in. Ex:
/em Derp has long hair, black skirt and a guitar in his hand(Character appearance, which I don't think is often used)
 /m.e fishes the keys out of his pocket, gently placing them into the door lock as he twists them - unlocking the door.
etc etc.

I never realized we needed to write an essay to open a door. No wonder people get tired of constantly typing for minor, simplistic things. 

[Vince]

Keybinds should not be disallowed, simply because of anti-spam measures implemented such as Sauron...

All keybinds would do is increase roleplay. RP is fine as it currently is, but if people are allowed to use keybinds to show simple things that would be hard to type over and over like the description of their character what is the issue ? I do not see it...

Remember, in order to push forward for a better future we have to not be so closed mind about ideas that may seem "SRS RP" when in reality they are not hurting anyone..... just giving veteran players a bit more freedom..... no new player will go "z0mg srs rp server" if when they walk up to a group of gang members and see "/em Emmet is 25 years old looking with gang tattoos" ...

[CharlieKasper]

You know I have no idea why are we supposed to roleplay entering a vehicle. It's already visually done, why add a bunch of texts to it?   

[Jingle]

A good roleplayer is someone who can portray their character best with less effort, not someone who spams pre-defined "roleplay" lines from some keybind.

Yes.

[SugarD]

For the love of Sauron, how many times must this topic be made? The Server Owners have already given an answer on this many, many, many times, and each time people bring up the same statements they have already argued against...

[Solis]

Overusage of details, especially considering you have a skin. Not to mention they don't need details such as your height or hair color (unless they're blind) or your age. (unless they're telepathic)

Pretty sure the reason people state their character's description in /em, is to relay to other players information that they have come up with and isn't visible through the skin, and people can't really know what age or hair color your character has without giving it to them on an /em. (Unless you already role-played with them before.)

No. Just no. The usage of keybinds does not improve roleplay and this is exactly another reason why they are not added, so get that delusion out of your heads. In fact, it only degrades the roleplay by making people too lazy and/or uncreative to type out what they have to do.

They were already creative when they came up with the content, that they save it on a keybind for future re-use is simply a convenience.

A good roleplayer is someone who can portray their character best with less effort, not someone who spams pre-defined "roleplay" lines from some keybind.

Agreed, but then again, isn't that the whole point of keybinds? Portraying your character best with less effort (keybinds instead of typing it out or Ctrl+V).


I actually agree with the dissenters that keybinds do not improve role-play - they're just useful tools that aid it where necessary.

[eymas]

I've already talked to you about this but meh.

Claiming they improve roleplay is a rather overused statement with little value. Sure; they can be useful to repeat information(Think /s2 for the cops, which yells to stop and surrender.) But the main reason we've disallowed them is the malicious usage pointed out several times in this topic.

Examples which I had pointed out before is that you are able to print commands and sentences much faster than before, being able to completely flood in less than two seconds.
Usage of /buy milk for example allows you to heal in maybe 3 or 4 seconds flat, provided you don't make a fool out of yourself and spam "t/buy milk" instead, Which of course gives it away.
And it's rather obvious about advertising.

Now to other examples proven here:
Say you do use keybinds to roleplay, is it necessary to constantly repeat what people can already see: your skin? I know the tattoos etc. are special but I don't think pointing them out gives any effect.
Speaking in an accent and having to point it out is more of a nuisance than additional, not to mention it also limits the actual message.
Using them for certain actions i.e. /me takes his briefcase and thus points out the meeting is dismissed, makes the roleplay stale if used often.

Those are my two cents about it, and as said before:

For the love of Sauron, how many times must this topic be made? The Server Owners have already given an answer on this many, many, many times, and each time people bring up the same statements they have already argued against...

[Zaila]

The reason why we're not allowing keybinds as players is gonna try to use it to gain advantages over other players, and we want it to be a fair play ingame. Also it can be used to flood players wiht it, for an example /pm (even with Sauron, they would be flooded big time). Therefor, we will not allow it.

I understand that it can be usefull at times, since i used to use it in beginning of 2009 to login when we still had /login before i was told it was not allowed.

[Comrade]

I don't have anything against keybindings. I think they are harmless, as people can flood even without them anyway. I've got keybindings which I mostly use for LoL, and I'd maybe even get some for Argo should they be allowed.