[Denied] Oliver_Daniels banned by Unknown

[Oliver]

Your in-game name:
Oliver_Daniels

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Unknown

Admin who banned you:
Unknown

When you were banned:
Mid-April

Additional notes:
I suppose I was banned for the "event" that also got Leroy and Vince banned.
When I inquired from Devin after it all went down I was informed that the "rest of us" were only issued "strict warnings."

Apparently the people went back on their words and I was banned without even being informed about it.
I'd like to be given a chance to justify my actions or at least have a fair trial as soon as I'm told what I was banned for, since my admin record has been completely clean for the past two or more years and I did not break any of the rules listed on http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?title=Rules during the "event".

[Conroy]

You were banned for the being involved in the bullying and harassment of a player. Your ban came later as I did not see your messages at the time.

[Oliver]

Attempting to clear the stench over some SAPD command related issues has nothing to do with bullying or harassing someone.

You did not even attempt to hear our side of the story before outright banning any of us, so obviously you must've gone with DarkShadowBlade's made up conviction that Vince was gunning for him personally, when in fact he wanted to know what sort of issues DSB had with him personally. That's why it was done ingame, in LSPD, in roleplay. Our reactions on the CB channel came during the meeting as a reaction to DSB's self-imposed paranoia and accusatory remarks regarding Vince's behaviour.

I can assure you that none of us even know who DSB is, we've never seen him before, we didn't have anything to go on when judging him as a person other than him completely going behind Vince's back, trying to get him punished before he was re-instated into the SAPD as a lieutenant. If anything, he was bullying Vince with that two-page essay he sent to Rusty. I realise that it wasn't done to Vince's face, but that doesn't matter in Argonath since Leroy and myself were also banned despite never saying a single word to DSB.

I implore you to review the matter in a more objective light, do a thorough investigation that involves both sides, not only one, since obviously what DSB fed to the admin staff was, quite frankly, bullshit stemming from his paranoia that we had something against him personally.

[Oliver]

As a further note I'd like to add that the SAPD command staff (Mike, Rusty and friends) along with DSB's real life friend Nexus_Riggs mobilised extremely quickly during the meeting. Was that a coincidence or was DSB awfully quick to jump the gun by crying to his friends before anything was even finalised? Or were our actions the only ones that came under close scrutiny by the admin staff?

If you'd check the logs from before the meeting, you would see us talking on CB that there was no intention for any punishment to be issued to DSB, the meeting would only be done to clear some matters up. If you also closely look at the tone DSB was taking to Lieutenant Vice, you'd see that a punishment for clear disrespect was completely warranted and had nothing to do with any supposed grudges whatsoever.

[Conroy]

DSB sent a report to me regarding the situation and I dealt with it accordingly. I am offended that you think I would take sides. For your information, the report I received was entirely roleplay based and I almost dismissed it. However, I looked into the server logs anyway and found you all laughing at DSB's reaction, some more than others. Some insulting him, some simply provoking the situation and making Vince continue. I was disappointed at everyone in that channel to the point where even minor involvement resulted in severe punishment. Those who only made a few remarks were let off lightly with a verbal warning.

I do not care if you were not aware who DSB was, this could have been anyone. Vince may have had something personal against him because of the report filed against him on the ARPD boards (which, by the way, he was told to ignore by the ARPD Commissioner but still carried on) but this does not give anyone the right to bring another player down like that. You are supposed to have fun in Argonath and leave the server in a happy mood, eager to join back. Not having to report players for harassment and cyber-bullying.

A full investigation was carried out. I provided every HQ member with the logs and made sure most of the active ones voiced their opinion before I took any action. This is of course unnecessary but I thought I would make sure I was doing the right thing before issuing bans. At least 5 HQ members agreed that the behaviour from your side was unacceptable and not worthy of Argonath.

I am willing to listen to your side of the story if you have anything else to add that may be helpful.

[Oliver]

DSB sent a report to me regarding the situation and I dealt with it accordingly. I am offended that you think I would take sides.

You have to understand that it's exactly what it looks like from our side. None of us were contacted during the entire investigation and bans were already handed out the next day. We chose to do stuff over CB while we could've easily hidden it all over Teamspeak or Skype, like our "opponents" did.

For your information, the report I received was entirely roleplay based and I almost dismissed it.

Yet you resorted to logchecks and admin action. Fancy that.

However, I looked into the server logs anyway and found you all laughing at DSB's reaction, some more than others. Some insulting him, some simply provoking the situation and making Vince continue.

Laughing at someone's words when they can't hear it is not even bullying. We were laughing at the ridiculousness of the situation, DSB blatantly disregarding Vince and keeping up with throwing accusations directly into his face, convinced that he had the events all figured out. Nevertheless, something like that is not against the rules since nothing was said to his face and nothing important directly related to him was discussed until the end, when he had already been allowed to leave with no punishment taken against him.
And it's also offending to accuse Vince of not being able to think for himself. He was assuring us that he knew what he was doing and the actions would have been the same despite our alleged encouragement.

I was disappointed at everyone in that channel to the point where even minor involvement resulted in severe punishment.

So what you're saying is that you simply decided to be harsh because you were "disappointed."
Does simple dissapointment warrant PERMANENTLY BANNING three people with more-or-less clean admin records? None of us had ever been banned before in our 5+ years of playing on the server.
I understand the actions are ultimately up to the admin team, but you have to understand that asinine issues like laughing at someone's words are way less serious than, say, DMing or actively harrassing other players.

Vince may have had something personal against him because of the report filed against him on the ARPD boards (which, by the way, he was told to ignore by the ARPD Commissioner but still carried on) but this does not give anyone the right to bring another player down like that.

This just goes to show that you do not understand what exactly transpired, so I will type this out in bold letters.
Vince had the mentality that all issues, no matter how menial, could be resolve by discussing them face to face. The same had already been done to Nexus_Riggs, hands were shook and previous issues were considered water under the bridge. Vince even said that DURING THE MEETING. DarkShadowBlade however jumped the gun by believing that he was going to be reprimanded and instantly went on the offensive, Vince's words going in one ear and out the other.
DARKSHADOWBLADE WAS NOT SUSPENDED BECAUSE OF ANY PM OR ANY LEAK, HE WAS SUSPENDED DUE TO DISRESPECT TOWARDS A SUPERIOR OFFICER AFTER VINCE HAD OFFERED THE CHANCE TO PUT THE ENTIRE MATTER BEHIND THEM AND CO-OPERATE IN THE FUTURE.
No one was trying to bring anyone down. It was a simple TALK, a DISCUSSION. Re-check the entire CB chatlog and ignore the bloody giggles and snickers and look at the messages between the inflammatory remarks.

You are supposed to have fun in Argonath and leave the server in a happy mood, eager to join back. Not having to report players for harassment and cyber-bullying.

Yet issues with the command staff go with the job in the SAPD. If you resort to the "have fun in Argonath" argument then it can't be one-sided as outright banning THREE people for minor issues is a definite buzzkill for those involved.
The issue was completely SAPD related, it was NOT against DSB's person. However we might have described him during the meeting, after he had become aggressive and bellicose, was completely situational and nothing to do with any long-term opinions we had on him. Back in the day, we knew how to keep issues separate and despite me getting Vince demoted back in 2009 we still knew that it was only game-related and still remained friends. Had he kept a grudge, I would not even be writing this right now.

A full investigation was carried out. I provided every HQ member with the logs and made sure most of the active ones voiced their opinion before I took any action. This is of course unnecessary but I thought I would make sure I was doing the right thing before issuing bans. At least 5 HQ members agreed that the behaviour from your side was unacceptable and not worthy of Argonath.

Yes, you asked the HQ members who felt threatened by Vince coming back and was handed a Lieutenant badge about their opinions. The same HQ members who, during the SAME DAY, had harassed Vince over Teamspeak by dragging him into their channel and not even letting him get a word in for his own defense. That's only assuming you consulted the SAPD, of course.

If it was the SAMP managers who were asked, then I have no comment other than it being completely situational and can't be judged with logchecks and no verbal consultation.
I fail to understand why you would want to chase veterans away from Argonath, people who grew up here, people who still have a lot of love for the server and what it stands for. All issues can be resolved face-to-face without resorting to direct actions. That's also the reason why Vince decided to suspend DSB and lift it in a few days after he had calmed down, at least that's what was expected, and not fire him outright despite SAPD procedure completely letting him do that.
It deeply saddens me to think that the entire upper command would have so much distrust in us that they believed we were UNFIT for the server, but if you really think that, then we accept the verdict.

[Conroy]

You have to understand that it's exactly what it looks like from our side. None of us were contacted during the entire investigation and bans were already handed out the next day. We chose to do stuff over CB while we could've easily hidden it all over Teamspeak or Skype, like our "opponents" did.

Whether it "looks like" that or not, you should not accuse me of taking sides. You are not required to be involved in the investigation as it was a HQ matter. Your time for justification is in this unban request, but all I am reading is excuses and stupid remarks.

Yet you resorted to logchecks and admin action. Fancy that.

Just so you are aware, I am entitled to view anything that has been said on the server. I do not need any sort of grounds in order to view your chat logs. It was unfortunate for you that I decided to take a look that day. Perhaps if you didn't partake in the discussion within the CB channel then this would not have ended up being an admin matter.

Laughing at someone's words when they can't hear it is not even bullying. We were laughing at the ridiculousness of the situation, DSB blatantly disregarding Vince and keeping up with throwing accusations directly into his face, convinced that he had the events all figured out. Nevertheless, something like that is not against the rules since nothing was said to his face and nothing important directly related to him was discussed until the end, when he had already been allowed to leave with no punishment taken against him.
And it's also offending to accuse Vince of not being able to think for himself. He was assuring us that he knew what he was doing and the actions would have been the same despite our alleged encouragement.

Unlike you, I do not throw accusations. I said you were encouraging Vince to carry on because you were. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by keeping the logs private, but if you continue being defensive and threatening me then I will not think twice to release the logs so everyone can see what you and everyone else in that CB channel are like.

So what you're saying is that you simply decided to be harsh because you were "disappointed."
Does simple dissapointment warrant PERMANENTLY BANNING three people with more-or-less clean admin records? None of us had ever been banned before in our 5+ years of playing on the server.
I understand the actions are ultimately up to the admin team, but you have to understand that asinine issues like laughing at someone's words are way less serious than, say, DMing or actively harrassing other players.

Being a player for 5+ years only increased my disappointment.
You also seem to be changing the reason for your ban which was bullying and harassing a player, not "laughing at someone's words". This is treated very seriously. I understand you were not directly doing this to DSB, but you were in the CB channel taking part in the laughter. You may think your involvement is little to none, but as I have said before, any involvement is treated seriously, which is why you are here to explain your actions.

No one was trying to bring anyone down. It was a simple TALK, a DISCUSSION. Re-check the entire CB chatlog and ignore the bloody giggles and snickers and look at the messages between the inflammatory remarks.

It appears as if you are the one who does not know what they are talking about.

[22:41:34] CMD  -> [Rstar]Vince (15) : /cb gonna make him shit his pants
[22:41:35] CMD  -> [Rstar]Vince (15) : /cb

The rest of your reply does not seem relevant to your ban.
I gave you a chance to explain yourself and you have not told me anything I didn't already know, so I think it's time you admit to your wrongdoing and we can discuss when you will be unbanned.

[Oliver]

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by keeping the logs private, but if you continue being defensive and threatening me then I will not think twice to release the logs so everyone can see what you and everyone else in that CB channel are like.

Please do. I am not a fan of keeping everything behind red tape. I do not exactly remember what I did or said, but the only rule it possibly broke was "Do not insult other players. If you came to play on our server - respect it and our players" and that was not even done personally to DSB. If everyone got banned for insulting someone else on a private CB channel, then the server would be even more depopulated than it is now.

You also seem to be changing the reason for your ban which was bullying and harassing a player, not "laughing at someone's words".

Which is exactly what it is.

I understand you were not directly doing this to DSB, but you were in the CB channel taking part in the laughter.

Yes, I was taking part in the laughter. I'm getting a really mixed message here.

your ban which was bullying and harassing a player, not "laughing at someone's words".

which is why you are here to explain your actions.

Wouldn't it have been more efficient and less time-consuming had you let all of us explain our actions BEFORE any ban was made, BEHIND our backs?

It appears as if you are the one who does not know what they are talking about.

I'm sorry, but I was directly involved in the situation and I was kept in the loop pretty tightly by Vince. It is you and DSB who did not understand the situation. The rabbit hole goes a bit deeper than that, yet INGAME Vince wasn't even able to continue with his explanation before starting to get moaned at and accused by DSB. Since Vince wasn't allowed to elaborate, there was nothing in regards to it in the logs. You can't check something that isn't there, that's why you should ALWAYS consult BOTH parties that are involved when you're conducting an investigation. This was more of a "judge, jury and executioner" sort of case.

I gave you a chance to explain yourself and you have not told me anything I didn't already know

So you knew that the meeting was about Vince questioning DSB whether he had any problems with him and showing that despite DSB's complaint to Captain Rusty, Vince was still brought into the force?
If you knew that the meeting was not about "bullying and harassing" DSB, then why were we banned for that reason?

I think it's time you admit to your wrongdoing and we can discuss when you will be unbanned.

I admit that laughing at DSB was wrong, yes, and I know it was a mistake. I'm not beyond issuing an official apology to DarkShadowBlade, but I also ask him to understand that he jumped the gun by starting to blame Vince for something he was not even about to do. However, I also think that a direct ban was harsh, but if the managers felt the absolute need to drop the banhammer, then, as I said in my last reply, we all accept it.

[22:41:34] CMD  -> [Rstar]Vince (15) : /cb gonna make him shit his pants
[22:41:35] CMD  -> [Rstar]Vince (15) : /cb

Everything can be taken out of context when it's written down. DSB was acting extremely bellicose towards Vince and Vince felt it necessary to flaunt his power a bit to make DSB fall back in line. He kept things extremely professional in person.
Since the only people in the CB channel were Vince's friends, it's understandable that he'd use terminology that is a bit looser than professional and he would NEVER say anything like that to DSB's face. He's also American and Americans use different idioms than the people elsewhere in the world, so making "someone shit their pants" isn't as extreme in the US as it is in, say, the UK.

[Conroy]

I am fed up hearing your petty excuses to justify your innocence. You are even telling me how I should be a manager which is only causing me to lose interest in this unban request. I expect your next reply to be an admission of being involved in harassing and cyber-bullying DSB and a public apology given. Only then will I consider unbanning you. If you are not prepared to do that, then I will go ahead and close this unban request.

[Oliver]

I am fed up hearing your petty excuses to justify your innocence. You are even telling me how I should be a manager which is only causing me to lose interest in this unban request. I expect your next reply to be an admission of being involved in harassing and cyber-bullying DSB and a public apology given. Only then will I consider unbanning you. If you are not prepared to do that, then I will go ahead and close this unban request.

Sir, with all due respect, I am not giving excuses. I am writing down facts and describing the event that transpired in an objective a manner as possible and explaining my point of view instead of resorting to "petty excuses" as you're hastily claiming.

As I already said, yes, I did laugh at DSB's words and yes, I do apologise for that, publically. I should have kept it out of game because doing it on a CB channel behind someone's back is lame and extremely provokative should they find out, provokative enough to warrant a permanent ban for it alone.

However, I do have to disagree with myself or the others involved having outright harassed or cyber-bullied DarkShadowBlade, and I am going to dispute the charges against me by using the dictionary definitions of those terms.

Harassment
The act or an instance of harassing, or disturbing, pestering, or troubling repeatedly; persecution.
I took the liberty of highlighting the word 'repeatedly'. The only contact I'd had with DSB before was during an SAPD training hosted by Nexus_Riggs a few days before the event in question. The only words we exchanged were about him being enrolled in the ROTC program.
I did not disturb him as he was the one who initiated the conversation that day. I did not pester him as he had the last words. I did not trouble him as I said nothing inflammatory to him.
On the day of the meeting, the only words I said to him personally were along the lines of "Stay calm, mate" or "Take care, mate". I can't remember exactly, but I never said anything to harass, disturb, pester or trouble him in person. And I definitely did not do it repeatedly.
Nor did Vince or anyone else persecute him as the meeting, as I already said before, was to clear up the matter of DSB's problems with Vince that he revealed in his complaint to Captain Rusty. There was no persecution involved as there was a just cause - complaining about someone behind their back.
As such, I am completely innocent in having allegedly harassed him.

Cyberbullying
The act of harassing someone online by sending or posting mean messages (to/about the victim), usually anonymously.
I already covered harassment, so I'm moving on to sending/posting mean messages.
What we were saying in the CB chat could be translated as mean-spirited, yes, but the word "harassing" heavily implies it being done constantly to cause distress to the victim, which in turn implies that you'd have to do it to his person or at least somewhere where he and everyone else can see it. The mssages were on a PRIVATE CB channel, with no outsiders ever getting a scent of our laughter and mockery, the victim DSB included.
As such, I am completely innocent in having allegedly cyber-bullied him.

I will not think twice to release the logs so everyone can see what you and everyone else in that CB channel are like.

And I already asked you to do so, so any potentially impartial observers would be able to see what got myself and two other veterans banned in the first place, so they'd avoid doing anything like that in the future.

If the public only hears one side of a story, rumours start spreading and personal attacks start being made against people who can't defend themselves.

At least give us the chance to explain ourselves and for me to put context behind our supposedly mean-spirited mockery. Please.

[Conroy]

I did not really want to resort to this. I do not take any responsibility for any trouble this gives you.

[22:35:12] CMD  -> [Rstar]Vince (15) : /pm oliver_daniels what am i telling
[22:35:36] CMD  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : /pm 15 ask him if he has any problems with you
[22:35:41] CMD  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : /pm 15 if he says no, address the PM

[22:36:41] CMD  -> Trane_Kiedis (3) : /pm 15 what that nig done
[22:36:40] CMD  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : /pm 3 he went behind Vince's back pretty hard
[22:36:43] CMD  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : /pm 3 two-faced

[22:42:20] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : what a slimy bastard

[22:43:29] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : mention how chris got permbanned
[22:43:31] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : because of disloyalty
[22:43:38] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : in case he hadnt seen it
[22:43:40] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : just mention it

[22:48:35] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : Trane, DSB is SugarD #2

[22:51:57] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : mention the PM
[22:51:59] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : the complaint

[22:52:42] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : fuck the chief, talk about the PM

[22:53:47] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : he is a slimy snake
[22:54:01] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : IS HE THREATENING YOU

[22:55:44] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : address the PM

[22:56:17] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : man the PM, you could really fucking mindfuck him.

[22:57:04] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : ADDRESS THE PM QUICKLY
[22:57:04] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : ADDRESS THE PM QUICKLY
[22:57:12] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : before the chief comes in.

[22:58:14] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : ask why go behind your back

As you can see, you were providing Vince with the information he used against DSB, which is why you were banned.

Harassment
The act or an instance of harassing, or disturbing, pestering, or troubling repeatedly; persecution.
I took the liberty of highlighting the word 'repeatedly'. The only contact I'd had with DSB before was during an SAPD training hosted by Nexus_Riggs a few days before the event in question. The only words we exchanged were about him being enrolled in the ROTC program.
I did not disturb him as he was the one who initiated the conversation that day. I did not pester him as he had the last words. I did not trouble him as I said nothing inflammatory to him.
On the day of the meeting, the only words I said to him personally were along the lines of "Stay calm, mate" or "Take care, mate". I can't remember exactly, but I never said anything to harass, disturb, pester or trouble him in person. And I definitely did not do it repeatedly.
Nor did Vince or anyone else persecute him as the meeting, as I already said before, was to clear up the matter of DSB's problems with Vince that he revealed in his complaint to Captain Rusty. There was no persecution involved as there was a just cause - complaining about someone behind their back.
As such, I am completely innocent in having allegedly harassed him.

Cyberbullying
The act of harassing someone online by sending or posting mean messages (to/about the victim), usually anonymously.
I already covered harassment, so I'm moving on to sending/posting mean messages.
What we were saying in the CB chat could be translated as mean-spirited, yes, but the word "harassing" heavily implies it being done constantly to cause distress to the victim, which in turn implies that you'd have to do it to his person or at least somewhere where he and everyone else can see it. The mssages were on a PRIVATE CB channel, with no outsiders ever getting a scent of our laughter and mockery, the victim DSB included.
As such, I am completely innocent in having allegedly cyber-bullied him.

You do not need to provide me with definitions. I am well aware of what both of these terms mean. However, your only mistake is that you worded them to make yourself look good. Harassment does not have to be repetitive. Yes, it is usually repeated, but the term itself refers to pressuring and intimidating someone, which is what you were helping Vince do. Cyber-bullying is similar to harassment in the sense that you are threatening someone over the internet.

If the public only hears one side of a story, rumours start spreading and personal attacks start being made against people who can't defend themselves.

At least give us the chance to explain ourselves and for me to put context behind our supposedly mean-spirited mockery. Please.

You are free to pass on this information and it will be dealt with separately. Bringing it up in your unban request is not going to help you.

I do appreciate your attempt to apologise, but I would much prefer a full apology that mentions the reason why you are banned in the first place.

[Oliver]

[22:35:12] CMD  -> [Rstar]Vince (15) : /pm oliver_daniels what am i telling
[22:35:36] CMD  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : /pm 15 ask him if he has any problems with you
[22:35:41] CMD  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : /pm 15 if he says no, address the PM

Advice from one friend to another. I don't see how that's provoking or whatever else rulebreak you'd call it since dealing with issues head-on is the way to do things.

[22:36:41] CMD  -> Trane_Kiedis (3) : /pm 15 what that nig done
[22:36:40] CMD  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : /pm 3 he went behind Vince's back pretty hard
[22:36:43] CMD  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : /pm 3 two-faced
[22:42:20] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : what a slimy bastard

"He went behind Vince's back" was in regards to the PM. Two-faced is a commentary on that as he was acting nice towards Vince the entire time. The same goes for "slimy bastard".

[22:43:29] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : mention how chris got permbanned
[22:43:31] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : because of disloyalty
[22:43:38] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : in case he hadnt seen it
[22:43:40] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : just mention it

That is called addressing a fact in a non-provokative manner. Laying your cards on the table to ensure that the person you're talking to understands the severity of any further deceit.

[22:48:35] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : Trane, DSB is SugarD #2

SugarD is a person renowned for fighting everything to the bitter end and being convinced that he's always right. A personal quirk that I also see in DSB. I meant no offense with that.

[22:51:57] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : mention the PM
[22:51:59] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : the complaint
[22:52:42] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : f**k the chief, talk about the PM


[22:56:17] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : man the PM, you could really f**king mindf**k him.
[22:57:04] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : ADDRESS THE PM QUICKLY
[22:57:04] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : ADDRESS THE PM QUICKLY
[22:57:12] MSG  -> Oliver_Daniels (9) : before the chief comes in.

DSB was acting as if he had no problems with Vince, so I advised Vince to announce that he knows about the complaint sent to Rusty. "F**k the chief" was a manner of speech not meant to be taken literally, since Vince was concentrating on talking about the chief and not the PM. Kind of like you'd say "F**k your gossip, I want to know what else you did today" to your girlfriend.
I implored him to speed the matter up since I saw that the SAPD command staff had mobilised on TS and were all in the SAPD command meeting room. I was afraid that Vince was going to be dragged into their channel and get reprimanded like had happened previously during that day.

I fail to see how advising a friend on what to say and what terminology to use when he had it all figured out himself anyway is a bannable offense, since it was neither provoking nor cyberbullying, even if they were supposedly used for that purpose.

I'd like to assure you that I wasn't Grima Wormtongue to Vince's King Théoden as I was simply over-excited and Vince was constantly saying "I KNOW I KNOW" over Teamspeak.

Yes, it is usually repeated, but the term itself refers to pressuring and intimidating someone, which is what you were helping Vince do.

Except it wasn't a personal matter, it was an SAPD matter. Being part of the SAPD comes with some sort of responsibility and the department can't function when there's distrust towards people. It was not a personal matter.

[Conroy]

Denied.