SAFD Fire Missions (earnings) - Fair/Unfair?

[JDC]

The money is not "too much". In fact, the earnings from this job are adequate. What is lacking are the earnings from the other jobs.

Problem with people is that they try to solve problems by taking away from what "does not lack" instead of adding to what "lacks", thus lowering the quality of everything in general. Such an approach only creates mediocrity.

Earnings are out of the question, they are fine as they are. (and in some cases, too small)
Talk instead about the conduct of firemen. Personally, I believe admins should be given direct authority to punish any "moneyhungry" firemen who refuse to let their fellow players have a fair chance at earning from the same job.

[SugarD]

The problem is not within the system...it is within the people. If people would stop being greedy and abusing something that was created for fun, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

[Kostas]

The problem is not within the system...it is within the people. If people would stop being greedy and abusing something that was created for fun, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

IS the perfect case for you something like the so called FD Teamwork? Which means that firemen get to share the fires to get equal payment? If yes then what was said in this topic can bypass the will of the people to teamwork and simply make it happen. I really would like to see what you find wrong in the main idea of the topic.

Which is to make it easy for every parttaking fire fighter to get the same money as everyone, and to kind of enforce a better use of the FD trucks?

[Manoni]

The problem is not within the system...it is within the people. If people would stop being greedy and abusing something that was created for fun, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

You can't change what it has been there for ages.

The money is not "too much". In fact, the earnings from this job are adequate. What is lacking are the earnings from the other jobs.

Problem with people is that they try to solve problems by taking away from what "does not lack" instead of adding to what "lacks", thus lowering the quality of everything in general. Such an approach only creates mediocrity.

Earnings are out of the question, they are fine as they are. (and in some cases, too small)
Talk instead about the conduct of firemen. Personally, I believe admins should be given direct authority to punish any "moneyhungry" firemen who refuse to let their fellow players have a fair chance at earning from the same job.

I agree with you on this. Unfortunately that's not the view that the administration is having, as afterall everyone has their right to do whatever he wants when he performs his duty as long as he do it without committing any type of rulebreak. To let know that is even allowed to /pickpocket others right after the mission is over, there's really no good signs for us to receive a better income neither to perform a well roleplay while doing it for the aforementioned reasons.

And I think so, the server already has too much money from the current unfair system.

I haven't seen a person with a personal good/stable economy doing something else apart from fireman duty, there's no money in that only but to a few people.

There should be like this if one fire fighter is doing all the mission will not get more than 3k, so everyone will do teamwork and 1000$ is good for one fire fighter...
 
Edit:5000$ are not enough for 10 fire fighter if he's waiting 30-40mins.

You can't think on any better suggestion that does not implies money?

I have no issues with the current system, I can make 20k in 1-2 hours doing missions.

My suggestion to firemen: Start RPing more and then ask for more money.

Yeah, you don't have issues with the current system, yet you are not the only one playing in the same system. Try to share a better opinion and maybe a proposal of an idea instead of just drop some selfish comments. And yeah, they should roleplay more, but I'd like you to make them understand that.

What's the problem there actually?
Some people are too lazy to spray on foot too.
So they will use trucks

Oh well, if they are lazy and still they ask for money, there's nothing much that the system can do for them.

The system,
1. Doesn't encourage teamwork
2. Doesn't encourage Roleplay
3. Unfair payments for firemen who chose to teamwork and help others.

1.- The system was made to encourage teamwork. That's the reason of the percentage that each fire mission has, yet everyone decided to mislead this into a greedy race for a few bucks.

2.- The system was made to encourage roleplay. This is why you can find some particular things in this missions along with some of the locations, yet again, everyone just runs for the money.

3.- The payments are fair, the moneyhungers are not.
I don't like to share negative but I'm always honest; As a fire cadet I say that as long as the players doesn't think about the real purpose of this, there's always going to be problems in relation to the incomes and the lack of roleplay that the scripted job and the perfomance of duties might try to give.

[AK47]

The problem is not within the system...it is within the people. If people would stop being greedy and abusing something that was created for fun, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Indeed. I remember when I started playing RS5 "serious", if we were like 6 firemens we shared the money between us. If someone gained more then another, he gave to the other so they gained the same ammount.

[Kostas]

I don't like to share negative but I'm always honest; As a fire cadet I say that as long as the players doesn't think about the real purpose of this, there's always going to be problems in relation to the incomes and the lack of roleplay that the scripted job and the perfomance of duties might try to give.

No offence but I'm just hearing what SugarD said, the commisioner of ARFD, in different words from a Cadet.
Also remind me if I'm wrong but in the most ideas posted on the forum the main factor why they get denied is one.
They can be easily abused. Now can you explain me why such a big script like this is so easily abused when tiny others were denied for the same reason?

Indeed. I remember when I started playing RS5 "serious", if we were like 6 firemens we shared the money between us. If someone gained more then another, he gave to the other so they gained the same ammount.

That's absolutelly true, I started working as a fireman durring that "stage". Do you find anything wrong into scriptly enforcing teamwork to everyfireman on scene? So firemen would get a base wage nomatter how many join a mission, therefore no one would worry about waitting a few minutes for everyone to extinguish a little bit of the mission, as everyone would get the standard 1k(just saying) payment after all.

[Brian]

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I am not selfish at all, I do not understand how people are moaning about money money money and only money, it is quite easy to make money if you know the ways.
As I said, I do not have issues earning 20k in a couple of hours, so how can someone else have them?


And why should I propose something if I think everything is going fine.
And I do actually try to get the firemen RP scenes, but every time I call them over the radio all I hear is 'waiting for mission'. So please do not  come and say these kinds of things to me if you do not know what I actually try to do for them.

[Brian]

When I said 10k I was just saying a number out of nothing to present my examble.
So yeah you just said that you don't care about the rest of the firemen and go there first taking almost all the fire. As that's the only way to make 20k as a fireman in 2hours

Actually, I went on firemen duty a few times.
What we did is we end the mission and split the money fair with everyone attention, not 'rushing' and take all the money.
Again, stop saying things before you actually know the truth.

[Kostas]

Actually, I went on firemen duty a few times.
What we did is we end the mission and split the money fair with everyone attention, not 'rushing' and take all the money.
Again, stop saying things before you actually know the truth.

I said things based on what you said. You said that you made 20k as a fireman in 2 hours.
Now my answer is that you either lied or did what I said, which is to go alone on teh missions and take almost all of them in order to get arround 5k a mission. By sharring the mission you cannot make 20k in 2 hours even if two people take place.

Now if you things of other things than the ones you right it is totally not my concearn, I didn't commend on the truth, I commended on your post.

And again. No offence but are you sure that you got enough experience about the mater to say that there is no problem with the script as it is at the moment? A few times is not enough, I have been on PD duty a few times in RS5, does it know that I know how everything in there works? No, why? Because I got no idea how for examble the AD and ASID work in RS5.

[Brian]

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I understand your case too, theres a lot of people that just rush in and want money, which is annoying. But then again, I can make a lot of money by just RPing too.
Honestly, this is not aimed at you or anyone else. But out of the maybe 20 calls I make a week to the FD, maybe only one responds, he comes to the scene and then leaves again since he does not see 'money' come out of it.

And for Air Division, we earn atleast  -1k per day on a good day, due to our expenses and there is no way to get money for us (We do not jail suspects very often).

[Alexander_Rijav]

I understand your case too, theres a lot of people that just rush in and want money, which is annoying. But then again, I can make a lot of money by just RPing too.
Honestly, this is not aimed at you or anyone else. But out of the maybe 20 calls I make a week to the FD, maybe only one responds, he comes to the scene and then leaves again since he does not see 'money' come out of it.

And for Air Division, we earn atleast  -1k per day on a good day, due to our expenses and there is no way to get money for us (We do not jail suspects very often).

Someone should cover your expenses,I believe.

[JoshThePenguin]

More support on bringing the old Rs4 system Back!

[Kostas]

The problem is not within the system...it is within the people. If people would stop being greedy and abusing something that was created for fun, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Still would like a clear answer to my questions especially from you, as you seem to have greatly contributed on teh creation of the system, yet you are totally against this idea.

[PulseEffect]

Still would like a clear answer to my questions especially from you, as you seem to have greatly contributed on teh creation of the system, yet you are totally against this idea.

Quite seriously, it has been HQ/Developers who ignored our suggestions and failed to allow anyone else to test the closed beta before it went live. It is not solely his fault.

[Conroy]

Where are you getting this information from, Pulse?