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Reply #30 on: July 15, 2014, 09:48:22 pm
Situations that it happens kinda often is when a hydra has taken down a airbourn suspect, but the suspect survive by parachuting himself down on the ground and escapes in a vehicle or by foot. The pilot of the hydra/hunter sometimes tend to keep on chasing them.

Using them for taking down airbourn suspects is cool though. Easy to avoid the missiles anyway  ;)

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Reply #31 on: July 15, 2014, 09:55:29 pm
nope, bullshit. i was talking about "ground vehicles"

i'd like to see you escaping with a car from hydra

If the hydra is chasing you it means that you did something so it could come to you or something to get his attention.


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It is in the server for a reason, if there is no Heavily Vehicles a suspect could just get a plane and escape, and don't come with the story about "IT IS OVERPOWERED" or "ITS HARD TO ESCAPE" man... if you can not escape a missile, I am sorry to say but your driving sucks, more if you are shoot while you are in a soil vehicle Report it, if you don't want to then just stop moaning in the forums and have some self respect.




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Reply #32 on: July 15, 2014, 09:58:01 pm
If the hydra is chasing you it means that you did somethign so it could come to you or something to get his attention

Or, as in the cases we've described, it's being abused. And we should report it.

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Reply #33 on: July 15, 2014, 10:00:23 pm
I agree that using hydra and hunter on people on the ground shouldn't be allowed whatsoever. I saw it happen like 3 weeks ago for an example.

Situations that it happens kinda often is when a hydra has taken down a airbourn suspect, but the suspect survive by parachuting himself down on the ground and escapes in a vehicle or by foot. The pilot of the hydra/hunter sometimes tend to keep on chasing them.

Using them for taking down airbourn suspects is cool though. Easy to avoid the missiles anyway  ;)
The main purpose is indeed to take down airborne suspects. If they switch to a ground vehicle or continue on foot, then we still pursue them in order to update the location to the ground units, our main role is to support the SAPD from the sky after all.

Firing on people on the ground however depends on the situation; if one shoots the hunter/hydra, then we are allowed to retaliate. However, we cannot use it on a group of suspects unless it's a last resort measure, which is VERY rare.

It has been said already that we have guidelines on when and when not to use the heavy air, and these are enforced quite heavily. To the point we only use it for airborne/waterborne suspects, and to tail the suspect if he/she switched to a ground vehicle/on foot.
Another repeated sentence is that you can always report a person if he/she abuses them, even if you believe he does. There's always someone ready to investigate on the case.



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Reply #34 on: July 15, 2014, 10:02:28 pm
The main purpose is indeed to take down airborne suspects. If they switch to a ground vehicle or continue on foot, then we still pursue them in order to update the location to the ground units, our main role is to support the SAPD from the sky after all.

Firing on people on the ground however depends on the situation; if one shoots the hunter/hydra, then we are allowed to retaliate. However, we cannot use it on a group of suspects unless it's a last resort measure, which is VERY rare.

It has been said already that we have guidelines on when and when not to use the heavy air, and these are enforced quite heavily. To the point we only use it for airborne/waterborne suspects, and to tail the suspect if he/she switched to a ground vehicle/on foot.
Another repeated sentence is that you can always report a person if he/she abuses them, even if you believe he does. There's always someone ready to investigate on the case.

Says everything.



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Reply #35 on: July 15, 2014, 10:07:42 pm
What is a last resort measure though? I mean, cops can respawn and come back as many times its needed to kill the suspects. I completly understand that if you're shooting on a hydra/hunter, you can suit yourself.

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Reply #36 on: July 15, 2014, 10:11:39 pm
if you can not escape a missile, I am sorry to say but your driving sucks
i thought you were not allowed to use hydras/hunters on normal vehicles? only on planes/helis?



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Reply #37 on: July 15, 2014, 10:18:01 pm
i thought you were not allowed to use hydras/hunters on normal vehicles? only on planes/helis?

Did I spoke about regulations ?
I said if they shoot escape, emagine you are in a hunter/hydra and there are suspect shooting at you hunter/hydra and it is with low HP, will you stay there until you die and let the plane fall and explode.

What is a last resort measure though? I mean, cops can respawn and come back as many times its needed to kill the suspects. I completly understand that if you're shooting on a hydra/hunter, you can suit yourself.

Air Division has a rule which is no returning after death (If you die you can not return by whatever reason).



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Reply #38 on: July 15, 2014, 10:22:51 pm

Air Division has a rule which is no returning after death (If you die you can not return by whatever reason).

I mean the regular cops on the ground. How can using missiles on suspects on the ground be a last resort measure if the cops on the ground can come back as many times as needed to kill the suspects?

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Reply #39 on: July 15, 2014, 10:24:14 pm
i thought you were not allowed to use hydras/hunters on normal vehicles? only on planes/helis?
It should be avoided, but we've already explained what happens when one decides to drive-by the hunter/hydra, this happened quite a few times.

What is a last resort measure though? I mean, cops can respawn and come back as many times its needed to kill the suspects.
In this interpretation you could consider the "last resort" to be that you use the heavy air on a group of 9 suspects VS 4 cops. And that they've taken too many tries for example.



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Reply #40 on: July 15, 2014, 10:25:27 pm
I mean the regular cops on the ground. How can using missiles on suspects on the ground be a last resort measure if the cops on the ground can come back as many times as needed to kill the suspects?

Limited number of cops online who aren't adequate enough to neutralize the threat.

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Reply #41 on: July 15, 2014, 10:26:20 pm
I mean the regular cops on the ground. How can using missiles on suspects on the ground be a last resort measure if the cops on the ground can come back as many times as needed to kill the suspects?

Well imagine this:

You are in public place,
this "last resource" would be if Officers AND CIVILIANS are in danger,
The objective of any LEO is to protect the citizens,
If it means to shoot a rocket and kill the suspects (Making sure the civilians stay safe)
It has to be done before you regret it.



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Reply #42 on: July 15, 2014, 10:26:52 pm
And that they've taken too many tries for example.

Im with you there. They should have been struggeling for quite some time before considering bombing them with missiles.

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Reply #43 on: July 15, 2014, 10:39:56 pm
Apparently Hunters and Hydras are allowed to attack civilians for a new reason called "commissioner's orders".



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Reply #44 on: July 15, 2014, 10:51:19 pm
Apparently Hunters and Hydras are allowed to attack civilians for a new reason called "commissioner's orders".
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