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[Unbanned] Charlie_Calston's banned by James_Conway

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Offline Londonian Bus DriverTopic starter

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on: August 16, 2014, 01:16:40 am
Your in-game name: Charlie_Calston

Your account name: Calcum
Ban reason as was stated in-game: 'Provoking, Constant Rule Breaking' Etc, multiple more lines
Admin who banned you: James_Conway
When you were banned: 10:57 PM, roughly, of 11th of  August, 2014

Reason why you did it: This is a follow up to a linking appeal I made on the 11th of this month.

It would be pointless to use the same argument used on the other appeal, at http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=107523.0, as it only resulted in denial.

I spoke to Senate, an administrator that delt with the denial of my previous appeal through Private Messages once the application was denied. We spoke at length about the things I can do to possibly insure a chance at having a new application accepted. He suggested I open a new appeal so me, him and others could speak more publicly.

Of-course, I am not implying this re-appeal was written due to his, of which I am not calling a request; idea. I just thought it might help explain this isn't a case of unacception.

- Argument that differs from previous;

Although I have spoke my mind in the previous appeal, it wouldn't be bad idea to explain things a little more depthful.

For example; in the ban appeal, I was attached an image of me publicly swearing, which was clearly not directed at anyone {Logs will par in my favor on that} with no direction. I accept this as fact and am willing to be slapped on the wrists for. Although, I don't believe that as an ISOLATED 66-case-99 should or would result in a perma-ban.

On the other hand, putting all my behavior together, as displayed through my Punishment Log, is parrling to the idea that I would be banned. I am understanding of the ban, and only partially disagree with the action taken, and the reason behind. Although, this is not to say I have not reviewed my actions and taken them into account.

Again, I am not appealing for another voice, but to explain I am in conjunction with the rules now, and cant see any future issues.

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As stated above, my original argument can be read with the link attached.


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Reply #1 on: August 17, 2014, 05:24:09 pm
It would be pointless to use the same argument used on the other appeal, at http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=107523.0, as it only resulted in denial.
As stated above, my original argument can be read with the link attached.

Your denial was a result of your dishonesty about ban evading, not your argument used in your unban request.

Since you linked it, I will go ahead and respond to your previous request. My responses are marked in red.

Your in-game name: Charlie_Calston

Your account name: Calcum
Ban reason as was stated in-game: 'Provoking, Constant Rule Breaking' Etc, multiple more lines
Admin who banned you: James_Conway
When you were banned: 10:57 PM, roughly, of 11th of  August, 2014

Reason why you did it: I am rather at a loss to as why this ban has come about.

Very Imediatly prior there was a situation involving myself, some officers and the administrator Joseph.

The situation is as follows;

I was suspected for assisting another suspect, by means of flipping his vehicle. I fled the stop that was then attempted and continued to flee, until I was flipped by a large HGV at the Roundabout near the MGS. Saying 'Uh' and then later 'I may of just flipped me car' in PC. Moments later some officers caught up with me, and surrounded the vehicle. I was in a good state and RPed the idea that I was stuck in the vehicle.
*Staying inside of a flipped vehicle to avoid capture or in this case trolling the cops is considered script abuse, as the current client does not support carjacking of a person inside a flipped vehicle or shooting a person inside a vehicle. It is treated the same as a person abusing the passenger seat of a vehicle in the same manner.*

Saying things like '/me Groans', '/me Kicks door', etc, RPing my instance of being trapped. - Some officers, who were clearly new to the false, did not take kindly and had shouted things like 'fuk u, u always lye get out of the car u lya' - Which is a quote. I continued the scene, not forcing anyone into it, until I was TP'd out of the flipped, bright pink Comet by Joseph, who I then reported for Ruining RP.
*You were reported for script abuse, Joseph responded to the report made against you and verified that you were indeed abusing the situation, your attempt to lessen the severity of your abuses by adding some roleplay actions does not make it acceptable. Reporting a staff member for "Ruining RP" in this situation (responding to a valid report against you) was clearly provocative and another attempt at trolling on your part.*

I almost ignored the forced situation from Joseph, and continued a now-foot chase with the rozzers.

I got up to the Hospital where I was then frozen by Joseph, who refused to speak for the next 1-2 minutes, until he told me that I had not correctly RP'd.

I repeatedly told him, very politely, as the logs will indicate, to unfreeze me, so my camera was not stuck underground. He ignored my requests, although I had threatened to leave the server if he does not act like an adult with the case he clearly caused.

I logged out, logged back in, PM'd him as a guest asking whether he would act like an adult with me and be polite, like I usually find him not to be, which I received no reply to.
*Script abused again by using /q to evade staff during an administrative investigation. I'm sorry you dont like being frozen but it protects you (since you were a suspect) from overzealous cops, and allows the staff to communicate with you more easily. But you didn't want to communicate, you only wanted to threaten to leave the server if not unfrozen (verified through logs). Script abused and provoked yet again by communicating with staff on a guest account after evading them with /q.*

I logged in, /GU'd and RP'd a situation where I put my hands up and whispered to the arresting officer. I was then banned with no prior warning to the case I was frozen for.
*Not sure what you expected at this point, a tea party?*

All logs are proving of these events and I support the idea that this Administrator, along with the Bann-er, James, are in the wrong.

I was also NEVER told why I was TP'd and Frozen.
*You were frozen so that the moderator could explain to you what you did wrong, all attempts at communication failed and the few attempts at communication from you involved provocative, trollish threats about unfreeze or I will leave the server.*

Moderator Joseph reported these events to a higher ranked Administrator James_Conway. After discussing the situation amongst themselves they felt that a ban was the best course of action, not only for this particular incident but as you pointed out for your overall history combined.

None of your arguments have justified your actions, are you still of the opinion that your behavior was acceptable?

Edit: I overlooked this:
On the other hand, putting all my behavior together, as displayed through my Punishment Log, is parrling to the idea that I would be banned. I am understanding of the ban, and only partially disagree with the action taken, and the reason behind. Although, this is not to say I have not reviewed my actions and taken them into account.

If you would, I'd like to know why you partially disagree with the action taken.



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Reply #2 on: August 17, 2014, 05:59:22 pm
Your denial was a result of your dishonesty about ban evading, not your argument used in your unban request.

Since you linked it, I will go ahead and respond to your previous request. My responses are marked in red.

Moderator Joseph reported these events to a higher ranked Administrator James_Conway. After discussing the situation amongst themselves they felt that a ban was the best course of action, not only for this particular incident but as you pointed out for your overall history combined.

None of your arguments have justified your actions, are you still of the opinion that your behavior was acceptable?

Edit: I overlooked this:
If you would, I'd like to know why you partially disagree with the action taken.

It'd be more appropriate for me to reply to all comments, marked in red, that you have made with a single lining of text.

Through-out you have claimed some of my actions where the act of me attempting to be provocative and trollish. I can't see what your logistics behind this is.

I have very plainly admitted, also avoiding loop holes in rules and what-not, that I have violated the rules. Is this the act of someone that intended to troll administration and officers/ players? You can agree that it is, but I am delt within my own opinion that I never trolled.

Trolling would be to purposely violate the rules and expect some kind of negative reaction, either from yourself, administration or players. It'd be a case of me replying to this thread using 16. point size letters in a great big orange font. - I broke the rules, some of which, like not getting out of a flipped vehicle or using the 'Black-hole' bug were mere accidents, and I was not aware of their existence or impact.

Again, this is only a reply to your claim I was trolling and attempting to provoke.

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You claimed I had baby-cried for un-freezing so I could correct my camera angle. - I really do think you are attempting to make my clear and polite requests, that did not violate terms of use, into something other. Like Trolling. - The reason I was so negative towards Joseph's questions is because moments prior there was a dispute with him that left me with the impression he abuses he administrative power. - Of-course, then speaking to him, as he was throwing me around the map, and freezing me, with very large gaps between speech, it was not in any kind of interest for me to spend the very little free time I had awaiting his PM conversation to end. - I gave him fair warning that I was busy, and did not have the time for speech-gaps.

Also, you seem to be separating my leaving and my conversation with Joseph into two different things. I told him I didn't have the time or the energy for 'this' and use /Q to leave. Are you saying that if I had merely turned my computer off I would not of been script abusing?

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I stated that I only 'just' ' think that the action taken was in provision correctly because I feel as-if there was a congregation between administration about me. - To be blunt; Joseph has a go at me for a minor car flipping offense {I believe that was the case, feel free to check logs for correction}. Prior to that James_Conway had argued with me about forced RP, and a few hours before that another administrator, which may of been Thomas, had abused his power infront of me.

Seems like the administration team have their own set of rules.

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As for the ban evasion; quite evident, since it' was only moments after my denied ban appeal, that I wasn't in a great emotional deal, and rather pissed-off, so I believe I used two accounts through a separate Client, which seemed to bypass a ban.

Funny note to scriptahs; you should make it so perma-bans are delt with by a token. Some kind of created, randomly named file in a hidden DIR that holds information towards whether that Comp' is banned or not. Bit of encrypting work and it'd be a lot safer.

Did I answer all your questions, mate?


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Reply #3 on: August 19, 2014, 04:36:55 pm
Guiding suggests you remain 'Patient' whilst handling an un-ban request, although, it has been a total of 50 hours since the last reply, and even that was mine.

With respect in mind, I don't see how any kind of investigation can be being conducted.


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Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 02:23:44 am
With the recent events on Argonath's systems, it's completely understandable if this is disregarded for a while.

By that, I mean, I am happily awaiting a reply. Considering Argo'-ie just died for a while, I'd assume recourses are being pushed to develop.

:)


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Reply #5 on: August 26, 2014, 09:16:40 pm
Mandem be interested.


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Reply #6 on: August 27, 2014, 04:57:48 pm
I am fairly confident that you understand why you were banned, weather you want to admit it publicly or not is questionable.

To recap, you were banned for your punishment history as a whole throughout the past weeks/months. 90% of your punishments were chat violations (language/insulting/trolling etc...) this is not including times which you were verbally warned without an official punishment or warning used, not to mention the numerous violations in the logs which were reported but never acted on by the administration.

If you cannot control your language while playing on Argonath servers you will be denied access to them, the end.

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