Reinstate parts of the community on the forums

[Archie]

Sometimes changes don't make this community better, contrary to expectations, it makes worse. Previously, all servers were in a teamwork and community relations was so good. You know, SA-MP is the most crowded server in Argonath and that makes it more privileged than other ones (most of Argonath players' judgment), however I think it is not.

MTA:SA
As you may see, MTA forum ranks have been deleted. Imagine, you are a "NEWBIE" and liked the MTA server. You know it's a part of Argonath then you entered this website. And saw nothing shows about MTA (what would you do?), except this:

VC:MP
Their server even is not hosted by Sauron(Gandalf)! This is so interesting, whereas, every server should be hosted by Sauron as he's the "Server Host"(take a look).

IV:MP
Unfortunately, IV:MP is looking forward to separate their forum from Argonath (from what I've seen from Tai's tweets on Twitter).
This is bad. My idea is merging all parts of Argonath (like the old times) and treat them equally. This is exactly what I'm expecting from server leaders.

Don't forget to look at this:

Spoiler for Key of Success:

SA-MP = MTA:SA = IV:MP = VC:MP = Minecraft = Stunt

I want to see a bit understanding from readers and they will realize this important situation.

[Manoni]

JayL moved every section that it was related to MTA:SA to the Archive when they finished their own forums, is not like that the webteam decided to get rid of everything when they left the main forums.

Kessu(Not sure) changed the VC:MP host to a different IP becuase the Argonath one was offline and since it can't be fixed without Gandalf they decided to do what they did.

Tai planned to built IV:MP forums yes, but from what I can recall that idea has changed a bit. Is not the first division that does such thing. Minecraft is a good example.

Argonath is not getting divided nor falling apart but the leadership of each division acts as they think it will be better for them and their people. Others are not telling them to leave nor will force them to stay here, these things were their own choices.

[Luca Man]

About VC:MP, as a regular of it, I have to say that I am sick of the regular downtimes the server has been experiencing since 2012. Kessu and Klaus are always working hard on bringing new hosts, but it is really annoying to see the server always down. Gandalf is always gone, and when he returns, he only sees SA:MP RPG, because MTA:VC, VC:MP, IV:MP, MTA:SA, SA:MP DM, SA:MP Stunt are NOT part of Argonath, is that right?

[Archie]

What Luca said is a fact, Gandalf doesn't care about other servers. There is only SA-MP, SA-MP, SA-MP...

He doesn't act like an equal leader (judging him is not my business). Also I'm waiting a bit delicacy from community leaders to visit other servers, detect server problems and trying to fix them. After all, they are community leaders not only SA-MP leaders.

[Plam_Knight]

What Luca said is a fact, Gandalf doesn't care about other servers. There is only SA-MP, SA-MP, SA-MP...

He doesn't act like a equal leader (judging him is not my business). Also I'm waiting a bit delicacy from community leaders to visit other servers, detect server problems and trying to fix them. After all, they are community leaders not only SA-MP leaders.

Sometimes its better he doesn't notice them, otherwise you wouldn't like some things if he did, saynig it from personal experience .

[Archie]

some things

Some things?

[Patton]

JayL moved every section that it was related to MTA:SA to the Archive when they finished their own forums, is not like that the webteam decided to get rid of everything when they left the main forums.

He didn't delete the ranks, which we still need on this forum.

[Archie]

I would like to see a new project or a meeting (between community leaders, webmasters and server managers) to discuss/solve this problem. I really want to see a better "Argonath".

[Chris_Knight]

I would like to see a new project or a meeting (between community leaders, webmasters and server managers) to discuss/solve this problem. I really want to see a better "Argonath".

Good luck with that one.

[Manoni]

I would like to see a new project or a meeting (between community leaders, webmasters and server managers) to discuss/solve this problem.

We already tried that, most of the members of some divisions declined to participate.

He didn't delete the ranks, which we still need on this forum.

That is unkown to me, thefore I wont comment about it. It's up to the webmasters to reply on that.

[Devin]

MTA:SA
As you may see, MTA forum ranks have been deleted. Imagine, you are a "NEWBIE" and liked the MTA server. You know it's a part of Argonath then you entered this website. And saw nothing shows about MTA (what would you do?), except this:

This has nothing to do with the community but MTA leaders who took it upon themselves to split from Argonaths forum. They deleted their own boards from these forums just so you are aware. If people would not like to be a part of the community and move away from the main forum, so be it.

[Archie]

Most of server divisions has decided to split their forum from main Argonath forum such as MTA:SA, IV:MP (in progress), Minecraft (turned back) and RUST.

Divisions wanted to create their forum because they wanted to be separate part of Argonath.

What's the real source of this problem? Server HQs? Argonath Management? Webmasters?
Or they just want to be theirselves?

[Patton]

The link to our forum was added without us asking for it. At the time our boards were moved to the subdomain it was still possible for us to add it ourselves and we chose not to do it. It was decided that it is not the problem for us as we extensively and exclusively link to our subdomain throughout our scripts; our target audience are players outside of Argonath anyway, so that URL is the first they see. We would rather like it if it wasn't there at all, but if it's useful for some players, then they can have it.

As for our ranks on this site -- it would be good if our management had access to the admin boards here mainly because of the access to the community ban list, but also to communicate with other teams and share useful information. Whoever thinks we do not require access to these boards and said information should be considered responsible if community banned players are found on the MTA:SA server, not us.

[Devin]

The link to our forum was added without us asking for it. At the time our boards were moved to the subdomain it was still possible for us to add it ourselves and we chose not to do it. It was decided that it is not the problem for us as we extensively and exclusively link to our subdomain throughout our scripts; our target audience are players outside of Argonath anyway, so that URL is the first they see. We would rather like it if it wasn't there at all, but if it's useful for some players, then they can have it.

As for our ranks on this site -- it would be good if our management had access to the admin boards here mainly because of the access to the community ban list, but also to communicate with other teams and share useful information. Whoever thinks we do not require access to these boards and said information should be considered responsible if community banned players are found on the MTA:SA server, not us.

So you don't want to be a part of the community as you don't want your target audience to be Argonath players nor do you want anything to do with the main forums, including the redirect to your own forum.
However you want forum rights on the main forums to view a topic regarding Argonath whilst you are not wanting to be a part of the community.

You (MTA) want nothing to do with Argonath, not even the players yet you are wanting access to the forums to interact with the administration, I see no purpose after you deleted your own boards.

[Patton]

So you don't want to be a part of the community as you don't want your target audience to be Argonath players nor do you want anything to do with the main forums, including the redirect to your own forum.
However you want forum rights on the main forums to view a topic regarding Argonath whilst you are not wanting to be a part of the community.

You (MTA) want nothing to do with Argonath, not even the players yet you are wanting access to the forums to interact with the administration, I see no purpose after you deleted your own boards.

The server is Gandalf's and if he decides a player is banned on all of his servers, it is his decision and our duty to follow through. If we don't have the information who is banned, then it is a problem for us to work as Gandalf wants.

I don't understand where you're getting this thought that we are not a part of the community: we carry the name, follow the Vision, and our scripts are made according to it. That our target audience are players outside of the community is a result of our plan to expand. As there is an agreement that recruiting players between servers is not allowed even within the community, that is the only opportunity for us to get new players.

If we didn't want anything to do with this community, we would be long gone by now.