We have to get the server back in line.

[eymas]

but if the players want RS4, maybe we can give them something similar or?

Several commands we know from RS4 made their way back in RS5 though.

[Axison]

People can't handle change or..? I personally like RS5 the way it is , couple new features and bug fixing is all it needs.

[Kostas]

That's actually true Zaila ... I don't know seriously...

[TheLegitHabibi]

Whoever said RS5 was built according to Gandalf's "vision", I don't think someone 30years old with family and job who comes online 1 time per year knows what players really loved and played for..

Respect brother.
Its funny how they used to trash ideas with against argo vision, but they just made trucker job where you drive around get  $$. I remember giving a nice trucking idea which was not against the so called vision.

At least they're making scripts that people wanted now. Hoping to see more soon.

[Plam_Knight]

Whoever said RS5 was built according to Gandalf's "vision", I don't think someone 30years old with family and job who comes online 1 time per year knows what players really loved and played for..

I hope you know, sometimes its better to remain silent, then make a fool of yourself, especially when you know about 0 of how RS5 was built.

[.Matthew.]

I hope you know, sometimes its better to remain silent, then make a fool of yourself, especially when you know about 0 of how RS5 was built.

I don't know how RS5 was built, but I see many talking about vision and how RS5 was built along with it, I just wanted to say that Gandalf has a life, job, family and that he doesn't spend hours in-game playing, when he comes he mainly comes for some event and then he's on-duty so he doesn't really experience how the gameplay is the same way as players do.

[Plam_Knight]

I don't know how RS5 was built, but I see many talking about vision and how RS5 was built along with it, I just wanted to say that Gandalf has a life, job, family and that he doesn't spend hours in-game playing, when he comes he mainly comes for some event and then he's on-duty so he doesn't really experience how the gameplay is the same way as players do.

Indeed he can't and I belive the first versions of RS5 until a month or two ago proved that, but I gotta say its impressive what the scripters have achived and continue to attempt to achieve on their own, so I would say RS5  could possibly become something good, if they continue to provide the same dedication. So I belive its better to focus on what's ahead and support the scripters and give effective feedback, rather then dwell on how RS5 was made and how it came to this.

[Kostas]

Indeed he can't and I belive the first versions of RS5 until a month or two ago proved that, but I gotta say its impressive what the scripters have achived and continue to attempt to achieve on their own, so I would say RS5  could possibly become something good, if they continue to provide the same dedication. So I belive its better to focus on what's ahead and support the scripters and give effective feedback, rather then dwell on how RS5 was made and how it came to this.

Feedback is what this topic is mainly made for ... Find ways of making the server more enjoyable and more attractive.

Also I would like to suggest to make it easier for people who do not have any map knowledge at all. The how would be a problem, but there is no job that can be "worked" without map knowledge... I think that we should also focus a little bit arround making the server more newbie friendly in general.

[Pandalink]

oh my god, why will nobody remove the doors on the pay n' spray

I don't think people are grasping how much of a huge issue this is, especially for new players. They're familiar with it, they like it, when they find it blocked and their car explodes they will leave the server.

[Axison]

oh my god, why will nobody remove the doors on the pay n' spray

I don't think people are grasping how much of a huge issue this is, especially for new players. They're familiar with it, they like it, when they find it blocked and their car explodes they will leave the server.

Well i agree with you...Gandalf said it was a mistake, should've been removed by now. Pretty sure its not hard...

[Leon.]

In regards to any post involving RS4 - a few things have been reiterated by the team many times.

1. Much to many's dismay, RS4 is gone forever. There is no going back.
2. Even if it did still exist, we would not revert because (correct me if I'm wrong) all of the "behind the scenes" functions such as account security, anticheats, stability, etc. of RS5 are far superior to RS4.
3. On the outside, RS5 may seem more "complicated," but on the inside, it is simplified. This saves the developers many headaches, which makes them more willing to continue to improve the script. To have kept RS4 and continue adding improvements was not the most viable option; an overhaul was necessary to carry forward.

And in regards to "getting the server on track"...
Argonath has always been more so community-driven to make it go round, RS5 especially. As far as I can see, the player count is the biggest issue.
Less players = less players coming on, less players coming on = less players. Too few players = RS5 is not being used to its full potential.
I honestly believe that if the server had... say, 50+ players daily during peak hours, RS5 would be glowing. Too many people are blaming RS5 itself for the lack of players - "people left cuz the script sux." In my opinion, many players left because of a combination of loss of assets and lack of interest to carry on, to build back from the ground up.  SA:MP is a dying breed, so new players aren't a dime a dozen anymore. The loss of old players, while possibly detoxifying the community, has unfortunately stagnated the server.

Tried my best to provide some logical insight on the situation. As per a solution, that is something we as a community need to discuss without heated passion standing between us. This thread appears to seek a solution, but a solution seems highly unlikely for quite some time because we are all still mad about something...

[TheLegitHabibi]

, but I gotta say its impressive what the scripters have achived and continue to attempt to achieve on their own,

Nope . it ain't impressive at all considering the other scripts I have seen.
I think its time to stop this "scripters have a life" and false praising. No they didn't do a good job and they deserve the critisism.
I know scripters who scripted a whole game mode on samp under 2 weeks which had less bugs and more cool features than RS5. But you all don't hire scripters like that.

[Plam_Knight]

Nope . it ain't impressive at all considering the other scripts I have seen.
I think its time to stop this "scripters have a life" and false praising. No they didn't do a good job and they deserve the critisism.
I know scripters who scripted a whole game mode on samp under 2 weeks which had less bugs and more cool features than RS5. But you all don't hire scripters like that.

Its funny how you are capable to be so arrugant about something you can't even achive yourself, the day you even script a line, your opinion might be valuable even tiny bit. And yes they've done good job in past 2 months in bug fixing, features resolving and features adding, if you can't apprecite that then you are simply arrugant a**hole, that is a fact as well. And nobody is HIRED here, people choose to spend whatever free time they have, while having to deal with work/school and etc.. to actually script for us, sure it might not be the best or the fastest scripting they provide, but its something more then you've done or have attempted to do.

And you can always go find that 2 weeks game mode and enjoy it more, while you are at it.

[TheLegitHabibi]

Critising a bad work is not being an arrogant asshole. I don't make movies, but I still critisize bad movies. I don't make games but I still critisize bad games. So does everybody. You guys for some reason praise scripters and counter the critisism with weird excuses like "you can't critisize if you don't script".

Yes, they've done a good job fixing the bugs and creating the trucker script. However the whole Rs5 job wasn't impressive like you said it was.

By hiring I didn't mean getting a paid job. I meant becoming a part of the 5eam. My friend made a really nice script in 2 weeks, which honestly was impressive. But you won't take him into the team at all. That's what I meant. U guys never open apps for other people. You have to become a part of the community, play 2 years, become an admin then you can become one. People who enjoy scripting don't play. Mostly. So one thing you guys could do is to allow people from outside the community to apply for the team and script together with people who may be more talented.

Please bother a minute of your life to understand what I'm trying to say. Its the truth. Even Zaila agreed that the initial RS5 was disappointing. I just didn't like that you come here saying its really impressive. It isn't. Its getting better, yes, but it isn't impressive.

If you could understand my side of the argument instead of calling me am arrogant asshole, then you'd get what I'm saying.
But instead of accepting the truth about talented scripters creating better scripts in 2 weeks, you childishly tell me to go play there because that's the best response you have.

GG sir. I hope you understand you win arguments by improving your argument. Not by ridiculing the other person.

[The_Real_Makaveli]

Seriously? The answer to this topic is: GTA San Andreas is old enough to attract those with really bad pc's, not good enough networks or those from foreign countries (most of us here) or those who don't have the money to pay for other pc games or those who usually play console games but only come on the pc to enter social networks or go on samp to socialize with other players since they knew them for a while or hackers that just want to have temporary fun.

This isn't a problem with Argonath, matter of fact Argonath had its own time and it still will have those same old players come back, however not very sure about new players since it's very hard for a new player to understand Argonath SA:MP without another player teaching them step by step but that's the reality.

Majority of players on SA:MP are Russians / Portuguese or other foreigners. Most populated servers are Russian servers.

If you want to do your part to get the server back in line, go tell friends by word of mouth about what SA:MP is, make sure they install the game and the mod, then tell them the server ip and start teaching them. Most cases if they are a new player they will get banned within the first week (don't ask why, it happens).

And that my friend, is the answer to your topic

THE END.