We have to get the server back in line.

[Hess]

You have to become a part of the community, play 2 years, become an admin then you can become one. People who enjoy scripting don't play. Mostly. So one thing you guys could do is to allow people from outside the community to apply for the team and script together with people who may be more talented.

There are some fairly obvious reasons why we prefer people to have been part of the community for a period of time before allowing them to develop for us.

The first reason is that it allows them to see what we are about, see our style, the type of roleplay involved, how our scripts currently work, etc. Hiring people from outside the community simply wouldn't achieve this, and would be more likely to cause problems and disagreements due to lack of understanding of the way things work here.

The second reason is that there needs to be a level of trust and security within the development team. I don't see how accepting people who haven't been part of the community to come script for us would be very safe.

[TheLegitHabibi]

There are some fairly obvious reasons why we prefer people to have been part of the community for a period of time before allowing them to develop for us.

The first reason is that it allows them to see what we are about, see our style, the type of roleplay involved, how our scripts currently work, etc. Hiring people from outside the community simply wouldn't achieve this, and would be more likely to cause problems and disagreements due to lack of understanding of the way things work here.

The second reason is that there needs to be a level of trust and security within the development team. I don't see how accepting people who haven't been part of the community to come script for us would be very safe.

Who says you have to give them the entire current code to the new scripters?
Why not discuss with them what they want to help with and let THEM create the code and give it to you guys?
That way there's nothing shared with them and you don't need to have this 'trust' because they're coding something and giving it to you.

Regarding your first reason;
"The first reason is that it allows them to see what we are about, see our style, the type of roleplay involved, how our scripts currently work, etc"
To be honest, you don't need to be a scripter to know all that. Play the server for a few days and you can see the style, type of roleplay and how the scripts work. So if anybody wanted that knowledge, he could simply play here talk to people and easily get that information.

Getting 3rd party scripters into the team could really benefit the scripts of the server. Some people do it for fun and that's what they like, giving them opportunity could be a win-win situation.

[TheLegitHabibi]

If I wasn't clear enough, I do understand the security concern. People may be able to steal the script, use it on their own server, sell it, what not.
However if we create a certain restriction, such as not giving them access to the entire code if they're new, and maybe let THEm create something on their own and give it to the scripters. They would definitely like to have their name published in the Scripting team.
Some professionals start their careers by gaining experience in such communities working for free so they can later be entitled with "blah blah experience" once they start working for a paid job.
We can benefit from these people. There may be security concerns, but there's always a way around them, you see?

[CharlieKasper]

Even though I barely know any scripting or programming, I can say that I would not be able to make a compatible script or plugin for a base script without completely going through the base script. Without seeing the base script I might create a script for it that may cause bugs with the base script, crash, take too much memory or even not run at all. So I believe it is necessary for any scripter to have access to the base script to be able to make a plugin that works with the base script properly.

And hiring scripters that don't have access to the main RS5 script will only cause that problem. Therefore, hiring scripters outside of the community would not be an option, or even hiring from inside of the community without giving them access to the main RS5 script.

FYI, we have had several scripters who are not part of the admin team but are scripters of servers in Argonath.

[Chris_Knight]

Critising a bad work is not being an arrogant asshole. I don't make movies, but I still critisize bad movies. I don't make games but I still critisize bad games. So does everybody. You guys for some reason praise scripters and counter the critisism with weird excuses like "you can't critisize if you don't script".

Yes, they've done a good job fixing the bugs and creating the trucker script. However the whole Rs5 job wasn't impressive like you said it was.

By hiring I didn't mean getting a paid job. I meant becoming a part of the 5eam. My friend made a really nice script in 2 weeks, which honestly was impressive. But you won't take him into the team at all. That's what I meant. U guys never open apps for other people. You have to become a part of the community, play 2 years, become an admin then you can become one. People who enjoy scripting don't play. Mostly. So one thing you guys could do is to allow people from outside the community to apply for the team and script together with people who may be more talented.

Please bother a minute of your life to understand what I'm trying to say. Its the truth. Even Zaila agreed that the initial RS5 was disappointing. I just didn't like that you come here saying its really impressive. It isn't. Its getting better, yes, but it isn't impressive.

If you could understand my side of the argument instead of calling me am arrogant asshole, then you'd get what I'm saying.
But instead of accepting the truth about talented scripters creating better scripts in 2 weeks, you childishly tell me to go play there because that's the best response you have.

GG sir. I hope you understand you win arguments by improving your argument. Not by ridiculing the other person.

If you and example your father would build an old beautiful car you put your soul into and saw how it came as box of dust up to point you both did hard work in. And it would take you a while,sure it would,but its your own family matter and gratification is way higher.

Argonath is not a material,nor an object you can let random people touch. You sure need to be apart of family,prove your pressence to community before you are able touch and deal with "old beautiful car you build with your father" ,it's not about letting people script,its about not letting people apart of family joining in and randomly going for it,while they have no past no history no bound with community.

I rather live with a pile of shitty scripts than an materialized object created by people having no clue what is Argonath all about. Improvement might be mega slow,but its going on,and thought that its Argonath people who create this,is all I need. If you are so impulsive and rushing about everything in your life,do so,but dont ask others for it.

[TheLegitHabibi]

If you and example your father would build an old beautiful car you put your soul into and saw how it came as box of dust up to point you both did hard work in. And it would take you a while,sure it would,but its your own family matter and gratification is way higher.

Argonath is not a material,nor an object you can let random people touch. You sure need to be apart of family,prove your pressence to community before you are able touch and deal with "old beautiful car you build with your father" ,it's not about letting people script,its about not letting people apart of family joining in and randomly going for it,while they have no past no history no bound with community.

I rather live with a pile of shitty scripts than an materialized object created by people having no clue what is Argonath all about. Improvement might be mega slow,but its going on,and thought that its Argonath people who create this,is all I need. If you are so impulsive and rushing about everything in your life,do so,but dont ask others for it.

Let's not make up an emotional story here which you guys love doing for some reason.
Clearly the father didn't do a good job with the car because the players count dropped 70%. So instead of defending the fact we should be trying to come up with ways to make Argonath better.
You want to keep the improvement mega slow? Are you out of your mind or what? This topic is all about coming up with ways to improve argonath and move towards a better direction and get our players and rank back. And here you are defending it and saying its fine as it is. No it ain't man, we do have to rush and come up with ways to stop this community from collapsing further.

"Argonath is not a material,nor an object you can let random people touch".
Listen its a game, its a script. Calm down. I suggested and stated already that there's no need to give the entire code to the new scripters. Just tell them to script something and they give their own script to Argonath so we can use them. There's a way around it.
This will only speed up the process and help improve the current Argonath Scripts.

I'm really against this strange mentality of yours, keeping things mega slow and let the current scripters and HQ run it all by themselves. We all know how this 'strategy' ended. We have to change, you have to listen to other people instead of shutting your ears and 'doing your own thing'. You have to listen to players and opening up for 3rd party scripters is also another way of improving. Plus we do have to speed things up man, keeping it mega slow ain't getting us anywhere.

[Chris_Knight]

You are definitely in your teenager years ,because it can be clearly seen you are too impulsive, or maybe just bored out of your mind , not really sure .. who knows anyway.

You can keep posting as much as you want about how all of us are moralized to community, well I'm sorry you can not understand what loyality means and understanding bounding.  You can keep talking how touching everything is, but you are not in a place to argue about it James,trust me.

[TheLegitHabibi]

You are definitely in your teenager years ,because it can be clearly seen you are too impulsive, or maybe just bored out of your mind , not really sure .. who knows anyway.

You can keep posting as much as you want about how all of us are moralized to community, well I'm sorry you can not understand what loyality means and understanding bounding.  You can keep talking how touching everything is, but you are not in a place to argue about it James,trust me.

So that's your reasoning of why we shouldn't allow 3rd party scripters?

[Chris_Knight]

So that's your reasoning of why we shouldn't allow 3rd party scripters?

You've been told various reasons why it's not going to happen,but if you open your eyes and actualy read what people post,you might end up not asking this question over and over again.

[.Matthew.]

I would never give my scripts to random person.
That's true, there are many retards out there who leak scripts just for few reputation points on SAMP forums and then at end they get banned while still there are people with the leaked script.
And not giving full script to the scripter and making him create code for it is not as easy, who knows what includes, plugins and style argonath script uses, if you just make the code without knowing such info the script won't compile or it'll either look like a nuke fell in the place where that piece of code is placed.

[TheLegitHabibi]

You've been told various reasons why it's not going to happen,but if you open your eyes and actualy read what people post,you might end up not asking this question over and over again.

The only argument remotely close to a reason is that Argonath is too precious and needs to live in its little cacoon away from outside world.

That's the most stupidest reason for not having outside scripters, I'm sorry.

I understand the security concerns but there's a way around them like I mentioned. If we want to improve the server well have to change.

[Chris_Knight]

The only argument remotely close to a reason is that Argonath is too precious and needs to live in its little cacoon away from outside world.

That's the most stupidest reason for not having outside scripters, I'm sorry.

I understand the security concerns but there's a way around them like I mentioned. If we want to improve the server well have to change.

I'm sorry but you definitely are not reading what people are telling you, nor you try to understand, instead you are putting everything your own way.
No one here will even discuss any concerns with you as you can't even hold an discussion without ignoring completely what people are telling you.
As I've said before,you are not in a place to speak about server improvement and changes, not to mention I find this so ironical,and most likely others do too.

[TheLegitHabibi]

Chris knight doesn't know what to say. Therefore he begins talking about how James doesn't understand anything and he is not in a oositition to talk about server improvement.

OK. You're irrellevent, you can't actually come up with a reason AND you're wrong.

I've discussed every valid reason provided by others, I have not been ignoring anything. You're the one who's doing that. Also, I have every right to discuss the servers improvement.

So let's discuss the servers improvement please? You keep somehow saying stuff about me and how James doesn't understand and how James this and how James that. How about actually coming up with something on topic and them posting?

Thanks!

[Chris_Knight]

So far you are only mocking that Argonath community scripters are not efficient enough,nor you appreciate they work.
So far you have only mocked community and all your "idea" improvements is decrease security and let random people touch Argonath with no regards when ever they even been playing here or had an impact. And dont get me wrong I get your view point,after all how much have you done for Argonath? I guess we all can answer.

Besides if I am the evil guy,you can ask any other administration about your inteligent way of improving server,lets see how it goes.
Just because I give you an constructive critisizm on your absurd ideology,does not means I got nothing to say.

Server will not have side scripters doesn't matter what essey you write,as I told you in first post,you have 0 clue what means bounding and community.

If some day you will learn it and value it, come back again.

[CharlieKasper]

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