We have to get the server back in line.

[TheLegitHabibi]

Duncan you're one of that many who suggested this. Myself included.
Bit the management won't.
Inb4 no. :p

[Chris_Knight]

@Duncan.

You definitely have never been apart of Argonath administration team especialy in peak of rs4, when we had 20 reports per 5 minutes,and 90 percent were valid rulebreaks including such as = attitude,trolling,bullying,abusing scripts,dming,harrasing and thats just fast cases,there is way more than that.

I get it from a side, admin always looks strict with judgement and punishments,but it's just the perspective from your eyes.
All punishments are asigned individualy by your acts,the way you comitted it,your awarnes,time in server,and way much more. Not just tempbans left to right. So you can't fix that,because in every server administration will deal accordingly to prevent your fun being ruined by someone who thinks he is above everyone else and that he should not obey the laws he agreed when registered and joined.

As about RS4 it might have been your comfy place ,but it had desynces ,bugs in horrible ammount and new scripts could not be implemented due to various changes and so many errors in server scripts by way too many different people.

Therefore RS5 was made as an clean server,made by few people together aware about all scripts they create and new scripts can be implemented as there is no errors anymore.

And don't go with "HQ doesn't listens to players bla bla"
Gimli gave you an outstanding trucker script which players enjoy.
Cops asked to remove jurisdiction,which was done either.
There is always way for improvement yes,but don't rush with your expectations, and expect HQ accepting every players idea,as people never tend to look at cons, but scripters have to.

[Stivi]

You can use /withdraw again. Why aren't you on the server ?

[Cofiliano]

Until there's a big change in the HQ's policy, the server is gonna keep on going down and down, until it becomes one of 235235236235 other ghosts servers.

Enjoy those 15 players while you still can.

[Bruce.]

Until there's a big change in the HQ's policy, the server is gonna keep on going down and down, until it becomes one of 235235236235 other ghosts servers.

Enjoy those 15 players while you still can.

With all the respect,

Why the fuck are you still around here? Only to shit on community, cause I don't see you doing something good for the community only shitting on it.

[Cofiliano]

With all the respect,

Why the f**k are you still around here?

With all do respect,

I'm here to point out the problem why is our community having a 15 players count.
I base that not only on my experience  around here, yet on having a good input into the what's awaiting the server in the future, what's the priorities, what's the ideas, how are problems gonna be solved, and what ideas are gonna be implemented.

cause I don't see you doing something good for the community only shitting on it.

That's cause you don't know much.
When I returned to the server in February, the situation was similiar as today(15-20 people count, with every group died out except Scottos, and everyone on fireduty) I started a big mobilization of people, not just Gvardia and our friends, yet even our enemies and hostiles. After two weeks of alot of work, talking in with alot of people, convincing them etc, we manage to put the player count up to 40-50 average and it stayed like that in the next 2-3 months. All of this was done with co-operation and co-working with the HQ, mostly by Devin and Zaila on their side.
But when we hit that player count, the HQ couldn't implemented the things that was necessary in order to keep that player count up, and to raise it even more.
You can ask all of them how annoying I was into trying to convince them that things must be pushed faster forward, things like:
Trucker Job, Taxi job, Medic job, and a update on the drug market, to make the only illegal job available atm profitable.
Some of the ideas we were pushing to happen, did happen fast after suggestions( Like bonuses for Taxi, Medic, and mechanic job, so people can start earning from something else except bloody fireduty), and some ideas not only that didn't happen, yet they made it worse, and top on that list, is the drug script.
I was telling people that the drug script is gonna be updated in a way, so everyone from the little drug runners, to the Bosses of the groups, would have a decent enough profit from it. I was trying to unite groups into achieving that. We had a progress in the beginning, weed was updated by Gimli and made it at least decently profitable, but heroin was still fucked up( you order heroin for 1500$, which you can sell alter on drug market for 700!!?? Means you lose 800$)

But not only that they didn't made it profitable, they killed the last will in all people I know to even give it  a go, with the last update that it was done. (Which took prices of weed down to not being to received 10 percent of income(not profit, yet income) of what you invested).

Tl;dr HQ idea of drug dealing, isnt to have it profitable, yet just to use drugs as a 'storage for money' (like gold is in real life) and that's it. This was a fatal strike to all criminal groups, people who returned on my initiative left again, they basicly did a "RS5 reset" to the drug system, just after we manage to 'grab some air' after the rs5 reset.

And trust me, every server depends on the activity of their criminal groups. Cause if populating San Fierro teached us anything, its the fact that first you need to have few strong and active groups around, then the people who play as cops come to it, and then the civilians, businessmens, then random roleplayers etc).
It doesn't work any other way, and it wont work any other way.

So yeah, like you said with all do respect toward all the people in the HQ, I know exactly what Im talking about, and what I went trough in making this place alive again, and I know exactly why after achieving a break and making the server count 40-50-60, it 'suddenly' went back to 15-20.
Its the policy of the HQ, and nothing else.
And its not even their fault, they are following the policy they were instructed by Gandalf, and I understand that they dont wanna risk doing something that might look as them doing things a bit differently then instructed, but the problem is that Gandalf isn't around for a long long time, and has no real input in what's the problems of this situations, so they are continuously basing all decisions on a outdated instructions by Gandalf, that not only gonna help change things, yet is killing this little life that's left on Argonath.

Hence the 15 players online.

[.Matthew.]

To all that let's add again 16156 admin ranks "Forum admin", "Teamspeak admin", "Server admin", "Board admin", "Community leader" etc... and at end when the server/forum/teamspeak goes down they all end up waiting for 1 person which barely comes online.
ARPD forum has been down for over 2 weeks now even with 5+ community leaders, 3+ scripters, 3+ forum admins and 3+ owners
And also I noticed scripters tend to make updates when playercount hits 30+ players, like why? can you not update when there's like 5-15 players?
And even test the script in a test server (if you're not doing that already) to prevent main server from crashing.

I think someone needs to be put into co-owner rank in which he has controls to turn services on and bring things back up once they get down, and that someone who is active and on daily.

[Murt]

And also I noticed scripters tend to make updates when playercount hits 30+ players, like why? can you not update when there's like 5-15 players?
And even test the script in a test server (if you're not doing that already) to prevent main server from crashing.

Actually, the recent script updates have brought more people back as well have had a big impact on new players.

[Bundy]

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I'm afraid this is the sad truth.

Although, I lately see scripters - Gimli in special - working his ass off scripting. Yeah, it's a little late in the day, but better late than never. I hope the scripting activity will remain like it is now, before it will be too late.

[Rusty]

To all that let's add again 16156 admin ranks "Forum admin", "Teamspeak admin", "Server admin", "Board admin", "Community leader" etc... and at end when the server/forum/teamspeak goes down they all end up waiting for 1 person which barely comes online.

Not all Argonath servers are on the Argonath host, you should listen to what Plam said to you a few pages back.


@Duncan.
You're late by about 8 months, discussing of bringing in RS4 is old now and people should have come to realize that that isn't a possibility.

@Cofiliano.
Drug market never meant as way to earn a large profit what would you do if it wasn't there? 
Dependant on criminal groups?  What. 

Maybe we should get back on-topic instead of trying to take low blows at the server every-time a topic like this arises.

[TheRock]

Instead of arguing right here, you could all be ingame now having fun.
My view on the recent event is as if; I was a dedicated player on SA:MP since late 2008 - early 2009. But there's one key-point.. back then I was 14 years old too.. I had free time for gaming! Whilst today.. I am 19 and working daily 10 hour shifts.. plus after many years of playing GTA:SA, I can say that I really got bored of it...

What I meant to say over this is that, we all grow up... interests change.. It's not only because of RS5 that dropped the player count, but from what I've seen, and to those former and even nowdays players that I had conversation with, it's mostly SA:MP getting old.. directly from main SA-MP statistics: "Players Online: 2195   Servers Online: 725".. when back at good times, it was over 60k(?) players and over 15k servers.. (I did not mean that Gandalf or other players should not be playing.. it's their community - their passion, and hey... everyone likes to play games at all ages )

It really saddens me the fact that SA:MP is slowly going down, but hey.. it happent to many great games and eras out there.. I feel nostalgia for CS1.6 times.. for WoW times.. SA:MP.. for everything I really enjoyed playing at! I had fights.. I had good moments.. I made friends! and enemies, but that's what it was worth for!.. That's why it's MMO and every game title warns that online experience may varay.
I personally believe that going back to RS4 is not the choice, it's not scripters nor HQs' fault for this.. It's just 'us', the players who demand more things than this community is capable of giving us.. Because when you take more than you have; You always seek for more.

Think about all the expenses Gandalf has.. He is the backbone of this, and every moment you enjoyed on any of his server.. He never had donation shits, because he gave everyone equal chances to enjoy every game, unlike other bs servers that ask for 5$ to ride a car divided from players who can not afford those 5$.. so take a moment to rethink about all this, and don't blame him.. Gimli, CBFasi, David or anyone else who coded and administrated the server, was never paid for something.. they put their free time, transforming coffee to lines (coding) in order for you to have a server to play..

[Mikal]

I agree with Rock, all the RS5 arguing has gotten old, tiring and stupid, nobody has anything to say other than the same usual stuff that's been said since RS5 replaced RS4, everybody seems to busy b!tching about the server than being in game playing on it, so what's the point in said people even being in Argonath anymore? If you don't like the server don't go on it and don't come here to b!tch about it, is it really that hard to avoid?

[Duncan_James]

@ James_Bond & Cofiliano: Thank God i'm not alone.

@ Chris_Knight: I'm not the only one who think that current admins need to change their polity a bit, many people whose opinion is considerated said that, including some ex-admins who contributed vastly to the community. As for what you mentioned about the scripts, i'm sorry but RS5 has bugs too, and some parts aren't finished yet. Yes RS4 had bugs but the content was generally good, helpful. It was fun to play in RS3, and RS4 too. In RS5, not that much. Some may say that it's just because it changed that you're saying that, and that all i will get used to it and like it once i play it. I don't think so. I've got used to many things, but couldn't with RS5. That's the truth, i can't hide it. RS5 has infact nice features, but that's not the dominating part of it.

@Stivi: If you really focus on what i said instead of just light-reading, you'd understand that the RS4 /withdraw isn't the same as the RS5 /withdraw. Read my post again and you'll understand.

@Bundy: Gimli was and still a great player, admin, and scripter of the community. I've always appreciated his huge efforts and i always will.

@Rusty: I think that the refusal of bringing back RS3/RS4/RS4.1 by any way (even a part of them) is a part of the issue.

[Devin]

When last were you on the server?

[Duncan_James]

The beginning of this summer, around June.