EU will not object to UK leaving the union

[Gandalf]

Its funny how russia just say "no it wasn't us" to everything.

We learnt it from IKEA furniture shops.

[Lustigkurre]

It must have been there Russia bought the navigation systems to their combat planes too.

[Mr. Goobii]

It must have been there Russia bought the navigation systems to their combat planes too.

HAHAH!

[Murt]

No random requests for £1.7 billion because our economy is doing better than every other country in the EU.

That's an overstatement to be honest. The UK's economy is not doing better than every other country in the EU or Europe. Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland and Sweden for example have strong economies, if not stronger.

[Mikal]

Look at which are hopeful to join the EU and tell me how strong their economies are. If the additions to the EU since 1990 were so good, then why are people complaining about work migration from them?

Countries which want to join the EU have weak economies, the UK does not have a weak economy, the UK's economy is the fastest growing in Europe.

Wrong. The EC was trade only. EU was a political concept from day 1.

I've never heard of the 'EC' so I won't pretend I know anything about it, but the EU was sold to the British public as a trade union which would benefit all countries involved, politics and mass-immigration/extreme multiculturalism were never mentioned.
 

As prices of UK products will rise 15% for EU, they will produce their own or use Chinese.

Big shame.. Honestly the economics don't really bother me, the UK was a superpower before the EU and could be just as good without it.

Nope, you will just have to pay for them.

Nope, we won't pay for them, because nobody likes the sight of them, just plop a nuclear power station somewhere and be done with it, the UK isn't exactly a tsunami or earthquake prone place so nuclear power is actually quite safe here if regulated properly.

Those who vote for the EU can.That will change if the UK leave the EU. Depends on where the rule applies. Many people are, but it has little to do with the EU.

That's funny, because my father who earns a very decent wage and has worked all his life at one point supported the EU and yet, could still not afford a 'holiday home' in France, why do you try to speak as if you are British with British experiences?

Less immigrants? I doubt a large amount of UK immigrants are from the EU.

214,000 moved to the UK from the EU last year, that numbers has been increased by up to 15-20 thousand per year, the UK's total net migration last year was 603,000, 214k is hardly a small amount is it...?

There are no UK laws made by the EU. the UK makes their own laws, which to some extent must follow the EU guidelines.

Ooh clever, disguise EU laws as 'guidelines' - That should trick the public into supporting the EU, well no, 53% of the UK's laws are from the EU.

The amount the UK pays is 1,5% of the total budget. It would not be noticeable.

Ah yes, a £1.7billion request in 1 day is un-noticable, as is the £60,000,000 paid to the EU per day..

There was no random request, your government made the data on which it was based and knew what was coming for them.

So you actually think it's fair that the UK pays more tax because it is doing better? That kind of destroys the benefit of doing better since a large amount of profit from doing better is being taken..

What British culture? The last thing that was cultural were the Beatles...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture
"Culture - the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society."

The Beatles is music, not culture, culture in my eyes is what defines your nationality.

You need the EU more than a drug addict needs drugs.

Coming from a non-British person from a non-EU country..

As for powerful... that was already gone before multiculturalism became popular. The one reason why the UK joined the EU was to try retaining some form of power...

You're trying to say the UK isn't powerful? Do tell me, how is Russia's ancient aircraft carriers and crashed submarines? Are they still working or are they stranded in the waters round Sweden?
The UK is building the most advanced aircraft carriers and submarines of their kind, only a couple of years after a Russian admiral mocked the UK for not having an aircraft carrier at all as HMS Ark Royal and the Harriers were scrapped, I guess it is worth it in the long run..

It must have been there Russia bought the navigation systems to their combat planes too.

Most intelligent thing I have EVER heard Lustigkurre say.

That's an overstatement to be honest. The UK's economy is not doing better than every other country in the EU or Europe. Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland and Sweden for example have strong economies, if not stronger.

They may have strong economies, but the UK's economy is the fastest growing in the EU and is predicted to overtake Germany by 2030 - Depending on wether or not things keep going as well as they are now.

I like Sweden, but you can hardly say they have a better economy than the UK with their 9.6mil population versus the UK's 64mil population.. And yes, population does matter, it's the only reason Germany is currently 'doing better' than the UK which as I said, is set to change.

[Gandalf]

That's an overstatement to be honest. The UK's economy is not doing better than every other country in the EU or Europe. Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland and Sweden for example have strong economies, if not stronger.

And all of them were asked to pay some extra money.

[Gandalf]

Countries which want to join the EU have weak economies, the UK does not have a weak economy, the UK's economy is the fastest growing in Europe.

That makes paying extra taxes fair, right?

I've never heard of the 'EC' so I won't pretend I know anything about it, but the EU was sold to the British public as a trade union which would benefit all countries involved, politics and mass-immigration/extreme multiculturalism were never mentioned.

As you never heard of it you get easily fooled.
The EC was a trade union to make trade between European countries easier. It was trade only and did not have any political aspect.
The EU was always formed as a political union. Apart from trade it also made a bigger political force possible.
For instance current sactions against Russia would have been much less without the EU.
People use confusion in the public about EU and EC to lie about the origin.

Nope, we won't pay for them, because nobody likes the sight of them, just plop a nuclear power station somewhere and be done with it, the UK isn't exactly a tsunami or earthquake prone place so nuclear power is actually quite safe here if regulated properly.

Your government signed agreements that they will have to fulfill even outside of the EU. And without the EU it will cost them a lot more.

214,000 moved to the UK from the EU last year, that numbers has been increased by up to 15-20 thousand per year, the UK's total net migration last year was 603,000, 214k is hardly a small amount is it...?

IT is compared to the much smaller country of Holland.

Ooh clever, disguise EU laws as 'guidelines' - That should trick the public into supporting the EU, well no, 53% of the UK's laws are from the EU.

Show me any British law that was not passed in British parliament.

Ah yes, a £1.7billion request in 1 day is un-noticable, as is the £60,000,000 paid to the EU per day..
So you actually think it's fair that the UK pays more tax because it is doing better? That kind of destroys the benefit of doing better since a large amount of profit from doing better is being taken..

I think it is fair that if the UK posts data about their economy, they get to pay what the data shows they must pay. If you do not agree, blame your government for putting incorrect data. The UK is not the only country in this position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture
"Culture - the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society."

The Beatles is music, not culture, culture in my eyes is what defines your nationality.
Coming from a non-British person from a non-EU country..

And what defines it? And how does that compare to 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago? National customs and identities change over time. Thsoe wh ocan not chage with it become dinosaurs.

You're trying to say the UK isn't powerful? Do tell me, how is Russia's ancient aircraft carriers and crashed submarines? Are they still working or are they stranded in the waters round Sweden?
The UK is building the most advanced aircraft carriers and submarines of their kind, only a couple of years after a Russian admiral mocked the UK for not having an aircraft carrier at all as HMS Ark Royal and the Harriers were scrapped, I guess it is worth it in the long run..

When was the last time Russian planes were near the UK airspace, and when was the last time it was the oppsite? Just saying...

[Mikal]

That makes paying extra taxes fair, right?

Not really as it still defeats the point of earning more, what is the point if it's going to be taken off you?

As you never heard of it you get easily fooled.
The EC was a trade union to make trade between European countries easier. It was trade only and did not have any political aspect.
The EU was always formed as a political union. Apart from trade it also made a bigger political force possible.
For instance current sactions against Russia would have been much less without the EU.
People use confusion in the public about EU and EC to lie about the origin.

The UK had it's own sanctions against Russia before the EU even got involved.

IT is compared to the much smaller country of Holland.

What?

Show me any British law that was not passed in British parliament.

Every EU law which is shoved down our throats?

I think it is fair that if the UK posts data about their economy, they get to pay what the data shows they must pay. If you do not agree, blame your government for putting incorrect data. The UK is not the only country in this position.

Ok, so the UK should be more like Russia and lie about important statistics to save some money or get away with war crimes?

And what defines it? And how does that compare to 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago? National customs and identities change over time. Thsoe wh ocan not chage with it become dinosaurs.

Well, Australia seems to be preserving their culture nicely, just getting more modern as they do it.

The world would be a boring place if every country was the same, and that is what multiculturalism is doing.

When was the last time Russian planes were near the UK airspace, and when was the last time it was the oppsite? Just saying...

A while ago, Russian ships however often float close to British waters, where they are met by waiting destroyers or Typhoon jets.

But unlike Russia the UK's Government slightly cares about the tax payers money and isn't going to waste it sending our military vehicles to harass other countries.

[Gimli]

In terms of taxes on salaries, out of a £25.5k salary in 2012, only £28 went to the EU and £2080 went to Pensions & Benefits [1]. Personally I find this much more concerning. (The Daily Mail seems to think the former is more important, guess it doesn't want to insult it's reader base...)

... and before you blame EU immigration, look at the numbers. Between 1995 and 2001, EEA immigrants were the only group of people who actually put money into the economy via tax as opposed to taking it out (+£6k), the other two groups being native Brits (who took out £11k more than they put in) and non-EEA immigrants (took out £21k). [2]

Solution: kick out native Brits and non-EEA immigrants.

[1]: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16744819
[2]: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25880373

[Mikal]

In terms of taxes on salaries, out of a £25.5k salary in 2012, only £28 went to the EU and £2080 went to Pensions & Benefits [1]. Personally I find this much more concerning. (The Daily Mail seems to think the former is more important, guess it doesn't want to insult it's reader base...)

... and before you blame EU immigration, look at the numbers. Between 1995 and 2001, EEA immigrants were the only group of people who actually put money into the economy via tax as opposed to taking it out (+£6k), the other two groups being native Brits (who took out £11k more than they put in) and non-EEA immigrants (took out £21k). [2]

Solution: kick out native Brits and non-EEA immigrants.

[1]: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16744819
[2]: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25880373

Solution: Leave the EU, slow immigration from non-EU countries, destroy Gimli's passport, create stronger rules around benefits and who can claim them - Maybe the 60mil spent on the EU per day can go towards that.

[Gandalf]

Solution: Leave the EU, slow immigration from non-EU countries, destroy Gimli's passport, create stronger rules around benefits and who can claim them - Maybe the 60mil spent on the EU per day can go towards that.

Once again, the amount per day is just 1,5% of all the money the UK Government spends.
On an average salary you would not be able to have one night in the pub extra.
Perhaps selling passports for 100k to Russians and booking meetings with Cameron at 5k per hour is something that is less beneficial...

[Huntsman]

It must have been there Russia bought the navigation systems to their combat planes too.

Sir, you win the internet.

[Martin Chobanov]

Leave EU and vote UKIP /  BNP or watch your daugther getting raped and your son being beaten because he isn't named Ahmed Ali Choundary. It's your choice.

[Huntsman]

Leave EU and vote UKIP /  BNP or watch your daugther getting raped and your son being beaten because he isn't named Ahmed Ali Choundary. It's your choice.

Okay, how is that EU's fault? Let me remind you that not a single Arabian/Asian state is part of the EU, and the majority of UK immigrants are Arabs. It's the fault of whoevers in charge of the UK immigration policies, not the EU that you can't look after your borders properly.

[Mikal]

Once again, the amount per day is just 1,5% of all the money the UK Government spends.
On an average salary you would not be able to have one night in the pub extra.
Perhaps selling passports for 100k to Russians and booking meetings with Cameron at 5k per hour is something that is less beneficial...

It's not just about the money though Gandalf, it's about the mass immigration and literally extreme multiculturalism being forced upon us all, lucky for you Russia doesn't have that problem as it's attitude is pretty much "adjust or get out" - I can't really understand why people move here then drag their entire f**king culture with them and ram it down our throats, Wales, or Cardiff more so, is starting to look like some poor immigrant enclave, I can't even go to Lidl without having to wait 20 minutes at the tills because some cashiers who barely know any English are too busy having a conversation in Polish to concentrate on their job and actually serve the customers. - And they say immigrants don't take jobs? What a joke, no offence intended to the Polish though.

The EU is no benefit to Britain and the general public can see that despite the government feeding us propaganda on how the EU's benefits out way the negatives, the EU has destroyed this country, along with mass immigration from countries outside of the EU, even Labour who put us in the recession and wanted the doors open in the first place is putting stricter policies on immigration, no matter what you say the larger percentage of the British public disagree with you, we truly don't need the EU more than it needs us, if the UK left other countries would follow and that's really what the EU is scared of, the main reason people like Adolf Merkel say the UK would be making a mistake if they left is only because she knows other countries will follow and wants to make it look like a bad thing.

Screw the EU, but by all means keep European countries united in some kind of military alliance so that tyrant countries like Russia are kept under control.

Leave EU and vote UKIP /  BNP or watch your daugther getting raped and your son being beaten because he isn't named Ahmed Ali Choundary. It's your choice.

As much as I want to stop mass immigration and leave the EU, the BNP just seriously is not the answer, they are racist as fuck and don't belong in politics. I do agree that the amount of European rape gangs operating in the UK is pathetic though, just one more example of why we should leave, I'd place bets on 60% or more of all criminals in the UK are actually from mainland Europe.

Okay, how is that EU's fault? Let me remind you that not a single Arabian/Asian state is part of the EU, and the majority of UK immigrants are Arabs. It's the fault of whoevers in charge of the UK immigration policies, not the EU that you can't look after your borders properly.

I slightly agree with you though many of our criminals come from the EU, Asian countries are also producers of rape/soliciting gangs, not to mention the large amount of terrorists we get from there, many of them are British born yes but have parents from Asian countries, just the other day a plot by 4 Muslims to carry out a mass knife attack at the queens WW1 service in London was foiled by the police, thankfully.