Alliances with other groups - should we 'remove' them

[Kaze]

This can't go to the idea section as it is not something that can be scripted. This is just a discussion with other players.

I find it boring now that every mafia/gang is, in one way or another, connected with each other. My 'idea' is that we scrap this Alliance thing and develop a 'every man for himself' attitude ingame.

What I mean by this is for example Stracci are friends with Lucianos. Stracci do not like the ballas but Luciano's are good with the ballas. This fucks everything up.

[Bundy]

How do you want to forbid alliances?

[jovanca]

This can't go to the idea section as it is not something that can be scripted. This is just a discussion with other players.

I find it boring now that every mafia/gang is, in one way or another, connected with each other. My 'idea' is that we scrap this Alliance thing and develop a 'every man for himself' attitude ingame.

What I mean by this is for example Stracci are friends with Lucianos. Stracci do not like the ballas but Luciano's are good with the ballas. This f**ks everything up.

thats the problem between the groups and i dont see a reason to discuss this if you are not part of the problem, just let them handle it through RP - i think idea itself sucks, no offense.

[Kaze]

Knowing that no one has your 'back' anymore except your members, it makes ingame experience much better because it makes everything 'hectic' watching your back at all times. (Normal argo rules apply ofc)

[Acika]

Realtionships among groups are not so simple as it may look.

I'll tell you what happened to me 1-2 years ago. Luciano was allied to both, Soprano and Stracci, but they were in a bloody war, fighting everyday, it became a hatred. It was hard for us to watch that because we were good friends with both of them. That's why i gave my best to organise a meeting with both leaders, which i did. With big effort we managed to come to peace and everything ended nicely.

There's many situations out there like that one, some end good, some not,  that adds one more delight in playing the game and interacting among groups

[Kostas]

This should not be a rule ... but a simple movement ... There is a constant mafia war in the server ... Gvardia vs Corleone . Each side has taken other families to assist them, and there is no third side or any neutrals. Most people fighting in this war have no idea why it even started... I do not want to see a man vs wild hunt. Rather see smaller alliances being formed coz let's face it, it's getting kinda borring, or atleast it is for me...

EDIT: Just go to any group's topic and see the last pictures ... A shitload of people, big-ass shootouts(aka luck is more important than skill), and no one bothers to say why it happent, or who joined it... it was the A side vs the B side. And almost everyone knows it...

[Mikal]

You want non-stop war?

[Skalleper]

I want war. It's what this server is about right? Combats and armour! 

[[WS]Jacob]

We're supposed to be encouraging roleplay not cutting it out of the game.

'every man for himself' - then surely can't that man decide if he wants to make an alliance with another group?

[Kostas]

Lets just stop being black or white... We need mor colors in this chess game...

[Luke]

I want war. It's what this server is about right? Combats and armour! 

Not sure if Luciano or Svensson.... 

[Mikal]

I want war. It's what this server is about right? Combats and armour! 

Skalleper_Luciano

[Manoni]

I want war.

You want something that you won't even be able to see since you are not active.

[Antonio.]

The reason you made this topic is because you have never successfully lead a group on your own. Alliances can benefit the respective groups and this is normal in the real world as well. It makes no sense to force every group in-game to not be able to create an alliance or pact.

[jovanca]

Tbh, since i started playing on Argonath i was always on side of Luciano family, no matter who's the enemy i supported them, even against my personal friends (in this case i tried to find other solutions, sometimes it worked sometimes it just didn't work), untill i started a gangster life - member of GSF. I've done many friendly roleplays with my usual enemies, some members of CM as an example. These days i try being neutral, and i'd personally like to see something like this, but in some cases only (like personal stuff between 2 gangs, Groves and Ballas as an example), but having allies is sometimes important factor (newly formed groups with not too many members wouldn't stand a chance against older groups with a lot of active members, if they had no help)