Double Standards discussion

[Mikal]

First /em is not for those without brains: chat.

What?

[jovanca]

What exactly are you wanting to solve/gain from this topic? What is the conclusion that you are wanting to see come to life?

i'm waiting for you to actually do something instead of being sarcastic when answering to everything people post when they want to see improvement on the server.

I hope you are aware, what you just said there is close to impossible to happen, unless you never play the game and you never interact with people, which will then beat the point of being an admin.

So pretty much unless you have absolutly no social life and you never step IG, just make calls from outside the game without even reading the forums, there is no way people can be unbias.

Even if you put people that speak about double standard up on the admin spot, they will still act bias. Each decision is based off your comperhanding of the situation, your logic and your feelings, therfore there is no way you can solve a situation without being bias.

You haven't been an admin before have you. I left over this. Someone would report someone else, and you'd accept the report. Unless the reporter saw red text (punishment) on the screen they'd bad girl at you and call you a terrible admin. On the other hand you do issue a punishment, and you have the reported bad girling at you, calling you a terrible admin.

i do not expect every admin on the server to be perfect when making a desicion, but i see admins every day closing their eyes to people rule breaking, on the other side, iMarkz, in my personal opinion the best staff member on this server - no offense to the others, has never been biased, atleast not that i know.

[Devin]

- A revision of the rules to rule out any conflicting rules and carefully rephrase the words to make them easier to follow.

So a bible worth of rules, how's about we add common sense to the rules and that way we can pray that players will think before they act?

- Put all rules in one place (including rules for SAPD and FBI) so everyone knows those are the leading and most up-to-date rules.

That lies entirely on SAPD and FBI whether they wish to have their rules posted in the public, many have the mindset that if you have the rules visible to those they do not apply to, other players will look at the rules to try cause arguments/justify why a player can't do something.

- Transparent guidelines for staff so players can view it.

Staff are not working off of some sort of "Book" but their own knowledge and understanding of the rules. Simple examples of problems and solutions to them are provided to the staff.
However their manner of dealing with rulebreaking is up to them.

- Easier way of reporting any rulebreaks by staff. The current way (e-mail [email protected]) is just not transparent enough because many players have the idea that it is either not taken seriously, they don't get enough feedback or no feedback at all.

We have been discussing and planning another method of filing reports instead of the [email protected] email address. One that will not require any emails being sent.

i'm waiting for you to actually do something instead of being sarcastic when answering to everything people post when they want to see improvement on the server.

So I ask what you want and you think I am being sarcastic, I see no reason to try and answer you with any details then.

[Teddy]

i do not expect every admin on the server to be perfect when making a desicion, but i see admins every day closing their eyes to people rule breaking, on the other side, iMarkz, in my personal opinion the best staff member on this server - no offense to the others, has never been biased, atleast not that i know.

Think about it from an admin perspective. What's the point? You punish people, they do it again, they get banned. They get unbanned with little to no effort. Everyone knows exactly what to say to get unbanned now. There is no such thing as a perm ban. It really is discouraging as an admin to constantly deal with the same people over and over again breaking the same rules they've been banned for over and over.

You are being biased right now. Blame the admins only. The problem is two sided.

[stormeus]

So a bible worth of rules, how's about we add common sense to the rules and that way we can pray that players will think before they act?

"How about we add some transparent guidelines to the forum, that way we can pray that admins will think before they act."

If I said that to an admin right now I'd be muted, kicked or tempbanned, so how about that for a double standard.

[Slavik]

If this is supposed to be a roleplaying game then we can't start shitting out rainbows and unicorns on every street corner. If the word "pigs" (an insult that is 10000% less harmful than calling someone a "f**k-headed shit nigga on ice") is used in a roleplay context by criminals in reference to police, how is that supposed to be a personal insult?

If the word "pig" is used in a role play then it might be fine, but if the cop felt offended by that, admins has every right to tell you or anyone else to stop calling cops 'pigs"

a "f**k-headed shit nigga on ice")

You feel insulted by that????
/report!!!!

What the actual f**k? If an admin on my server punished someone for calling cops "pigs" in roleplay manner, the admin would be warned for being a retard.

That is definiatly not a rulebreak, only butthurt twats would punish for word "pigs" and the admin should definiatly not be an admin.

The thing is most people do it without any damn Role play at all, you have no idea how many times I've see nit happen.

And as I said, if it's in a RP manner then it's fine, but if people feel offended, then we will tell you not to call them that.

[Cyril]

They get unbanned with little to no effort. Everyone knows exactly what to say to get unbanned now. There is no such thing as a perm ban.

It's not so simple to get unbanned if you have been banned previously already.

[jovanca]

Think about it from an admin perspective. What's the point? You punish people, they do it again, they get banned. They get unbanned with little to no effort. Everyone knows exactly what to say to get unbanned now. There is no such thing as a perm ban. It really is discouraging as an admin to constantly deal with the same people over and over again breaking the same rules they've been banned for over and over.

You are being biased right now. Blame the admins only. The problem is two sided.

you probably dont know some things i know, and i obviously do not know some things you do, and no i'm not being biased, every member of community has to do something to get improvement, but right now i'm talking about admins not giving the same treatemant to everyone.

So a bible worth of rules, how's about we add common sense to the rules and that way we can pray that players will think before they act?

That lies entirely on SAPD and FBI whether they wish to have their rules posted in the public, many have the mindset that if you have the rules visible to those they do not apply to, other players will look at the rules to try cause arguments/justify why a player can't do something.

Staff are not working off of some sort of "Book" but their own knowledge and understanding of the rules. Simple examples of problems and solutions to them are provided to the staff.
However their manner of dealing with rulebreaking is up to them.

We have been discussing and planning another method of filing reports instead of the [email protected] email address. One that will not require any emails being sent.


So I ask what you want and you think I am being sarcastic, I see no reason to try and answer you with any details then.

ye devin, what i want is to see everyone on the server being even, rulebreak is a rulebreak, performed by any player on the server it's still a rulebreak

[jovanca]

It's not so simple to get unbanned if you have been banned previously already.

ive been banned few times too many, i guess. but right now i really don't understand why i was banned at first, altho i do understand why i'm still banned, but what i do not understand, even tho i dont want Abe to get punished, is him not getting punished. few months ago i said to my friend that an admin is a fool, and got banned for that, now an when i got offended called a fucking asshole and a fucking twat, the one who called me that didn't get punished and, i can just assume, cos he's an admin. this is a great example of double standards on argonath

[Stivi]

First /em is not for those without brains: chat.
Second Calling cops "pigs" is an insult so if you were warned for that, good.
Should read the rules.

You tell someone "dont impersionate god!" when he said "im god" instead of "im good".
"pigs" is a slang. Slang can be used in RP, duh. You should read rules.

[Acika]

Staff are not working off of some sort of "Book" but their own knowledge and understanding of the rules. Simple examples of problems and solutions to them are provided to the staff.
However their manner of dealing with rulebreaking is up to them.

Here, you said it yourself. That's the whole problem. Every admin understands existing rules differently and that's how they apply them. On top of that you have bunch of made up rules which are applied too.
Some admins can't use common sense and that's where it all begins.

[Cyril]

Here, you said it yourself. That's the whole problem. Every admin understands existing rules differently and that's how they apply them. On top of that you have bunch of made up rules which are applied too.
Some admins can't use common sense and that's where it all begins.

That's not the problem as it's intended to work like that. Every admin is selected for his qualities. If we wanted them to follow a rulebook without thinking or using their experience, we would recruit anyone.

[Devin]

If you have a problem with my staff, send me a Forum PM or an email to [email protected].
This topic just looks to me like an argument about my staff.