Transparency & Double Standards 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Kostas]

I never said that, I can guarantee I see things way too more strange than most people around me do. Common sense in this situation would be what is rulebreaking and what isn't. I think that's pretty common for everyone - without considering personal reasons that may lead to a different verdict. Once action can be rulebreaking and within the rules, players'/administrators' opinion at times doesn't change it.

What is rulebreaking and what isn't? If it is so damn straight then why are there so many people asking for a rule topic? Why are we having a topic saying that each administrator judges depending on what comes to his mind at the time being? Well guess what, this gives a lot of space for biased dicesions... Also you didn't even answer half of my post...

[Cyril]

You don't need a rulebook to be able to behave...
I had access to the same rule as everyone, I have never been banned nor my punishment list contains more than 6-8 punishments since I joined..
Everyone should be able to behave with the current set of rules.

[Tiny]

What is rulebreaking and what isn't? If it is so damn straight then why are there so many people asking for a rule topic? Why are we having a topic saying that each administrator judges depending on what comes to his mind at the time being?

If you re-read my post you will have your questions answered.

Well guess what, this gives a lot of space for biased dicesions... Also you didn't even answer half of my post...

The whole point of the post was "common sense", and the other half was edited afterwards. How am I able to answer it without reading?

Now..

EDIT: And to get something clear, you asked from us to get our shit straight, well do the same. Why is there no topic with each rule out there with specific explanations?
a: Because newbies do not want to read big topic?
b: Because no one would read it.
c: Because it is not needed as common sense is all that it takes?
d: Because you simply want to be abled to come to a verdict each time you get ask to, rather than following a book
e: Because you simply do not want to make one?

Also about common sense... the rules corrently writen are part of common sense, anything after that is fully situational, either put everything or delete the corrent ones... Or do you think that we don't know that DM is not allowed in RPG servers? Or do you think that we would start cheating and abusing glitches thinking that it is allowed?

Many servers have a good list of rules, WHY DON'T WE?

I can't answer the first part as I'm not the one who will make that "list" you are asking for, but for the part of your post (In bold) I wonder why you would even need a list if you know those simple rules as you say.

There are servers that have so complex rules.. I've lost interest in those from the first moment I joined because they f**ked my head up. Argonath is not asking for many things.. the current list is way too more than enough to keep the server in a calm and enjoyable environment. People who are not willing to follow/disagree with some rules are the issue, not the list and the explanations.

You don't need a rulebook to be able to behave...
I had access to the same rule as everyone, I have never been banned nor my punishment list contains more than 6-8 punishments since I joined..
Everyone should be able to behave with the current set of rules.

Exactly what I'm trying to explain you.

[Acika]

Double standards are here over years which proves that bias is not accident or mistake, but an act done purposely. 

Regarding punishments i'll repeat myself:
Every admin understands existing rules differently and that's how they apply them. On top of that you have bunch of made up rules which are applied too.
Some admins can't use common sense and that's a big problem.

[Kostas]

You don't need a rulebook to be able to behave...
I had access to the same rule as everyone, I have never been banned nor my punishment list contains more than 6-8 punishments since I joined..
Everyone should be able to behave with the current set of rules.

Yeah surprisingly enough same thing goes for me.

Also just to get something straight... I am not asking for the rules to change, nor am I asking to delete the current rules. I'm asking for a topic which will have all of them ... a secodnary one, do not touch the primary...
So Cyril ... you vote for: We don't need them?

I've come to a point when I feel like I will simply stop carring, you simply throw a @@@@@@ and walk along like nothing happent.

Cyril do you want the biased verdicts to stop or not? Simple as that.
If yes then read your last post and tell me how this helped. Making a proper topic would give less freedom to the ones who every now and then are biased. Do oyu even care about that?

[Rusty]

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=100219.msg1605344#msg1605344
Has the large majority of them listed, guess some of you overlooked this yet has been sitting around for a while now.  We won't add "cop rules" to this go view their own set on the ARPD Forum.  Something not there but you think it should?  Say so.

[Kostas]

Nop ... I didn't overlook it. And even though I do believe that TOm did his best on that topic, I can give you numerous situational rules that aren't there... by barelly thinking about it...

[Rusty]

That's great.  Instead of talking about something else want to actually post what else should be there, you know you could have done this about 2 pages back ...

[Kostas]

Okay let me start then... from a rather simple thing.

When is someone allowed to exit from a building?
When is someone allowed to exit from a building while not close to an exit point?
What is a suspect supposed to do when a Hydra/Hunter is chasing him and he is on land?
When is SWAT allowed to engage on a suspect?
What should I do if someone completly ignored an RP I start?
In which cases will this RP be: Forcing RP?

I can go all day long actually...

[Rusty]

Okay let me start then... from a rather simple thing.

When is someone allowed to exit from a building?
When is someone allowed to exit from a building while not close to an exit point?
What is a suspect supposed to do when a Hydra/Hunter is chasing him and he is on land?
When is SWAT allowed to engage on a suspect?
What should I do if someone completly ignored an RP I start?
In which cases will this RP be: Forcing RP?

I can go all day long actually...

1. Anytime, though do the decent thing and don't exit when being shot it really is a cheap move.  Not player's fault that script lets you exit anywhere is it?
2. See above.
3. Uh shoot it?  Then you risk it firing on you.  Most cases SAPD deploy it for over-watch and will only fire when fired upon.  Not related to actual server rules this falls under SAPD Divisions.  Report the cop using it via ARPD Forum or FBI Forum.
4. If they interact with you then ignore afterwards then contact a staff member, if they ignore from the get go then they could be AFK entirely.  Just move on and find someone else to role-play with stop wasting your time with people who got no clue about it.
5. Forcing roleplay upon someone would be when they have made it clear they don't wish to be involved or are actually busy doing something else (i.e admin work or helping someone)

[Kostas]

1. Anytime, though do the decent thing and don't exit when being shot it really is a cheap move.  Not player's fault that script lest you exit anywhere is it?

Anytime? what if I am cuffed? or tied to a chair? See where I'm getting this? There are numerous situations, so even you couldn't give a proper answer.

Also about the SAPD regulations, remind me something. is SAPD or isn't it a group payed and practicly controlled by the state? The state being the server, I think that they have to let us know about their rights.

About the Hydra-Hunter, how am I supposed to escape from it? if I do not have something that can clearly outrun it? If I shoot, it shoots, and we both know how it ends, but when it is right behind my ass, I can't escape, so I will be a suspect till I get caught by an officer who is driving a land vehicle? You don't even need mathematics to understand that hwen you extend this to "infinity" the only outcome would be, me getting caught.

[Kostas]

EDIT: And to get something clear, you asked from us to get our shit straight, well do the same. Why is there no topic with each rule out there with specific explanations?
a: Because newbies do not want to read big topic?
b: Because no one would read it.
c: Because it is not needed as common sense is all that it takes?
d: Because you simply want to be abled to come to a verdict each time you get ask to, rather than following a book
e: Because you simply do not want to make one?

[eymas]

Commonly if you have heavy air following you it only does that, until you shoot it of course.
Besides, you can still easily escape an eye in the sky. It's up to you to find a way.

It does not break a rule however.