Argonath RPG Groups - What are the rights of individuals ?

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Dear Sirs and Madams,

I am on a quest to find what would be the rights of the public or non members in privately setup t groups which are focused on generally supporting the Argonath RPG project.

An NGO (non governmental organisation) group which focuses on supporting members of the community whilst also marketing the product of Argonath RPG to  those outside of the community.

Some groups which I can name for example include - BCA / Bureau of Citizens Advice.

Generally my feels are that the public has a powerful say in such groups, but.. really... does the public even have any rights? What says they get a say? What is the power of the public views and perceptions?

Your feedback would be most appreciated.
- Eugatnom Etnom.

- rephrased:

I was asking say for example if a group were to be setup, a group which claims to be in the public interest... would it be correct of the public to expect such liberties such as suggesting / trying to support it (the group) or to even feel as if they can criticize the group and or some of its decisions  ? or is it wrong for the public to expect such?

[[NP]Monte Montague]

50 views yet 0 replies?
Are you all incapable of coming up with a response or do you just not care? lol:

Perhaps I'll add a poll !

[TiMoN]

me no understanded pls explain in english

[Dutchy]

While I don't think a complete democracy can work in argonath, too many factors that lack. It's important that every individual does have at least an express of opinion. Actually having influence on the decisions made by developers would be desirable since a dev can't always be 100% right about everything and multiple sides form a complete picture... But for everyone's voice to be a tool of political persuasion becuse everyone's has to be respected, that would backfire immensely.
I've concluded in the past that argonath's hierarchy can be described as an oligarchy: A really small group of people having all the power and knowledge to really make a difference, but also the responsibility. And responsibility is something you'd rather leave up to the devs, not.. everyone.

Am I even answering the right question? 

[superh2o]

Dear Sirs and Madams,

I am on a quest to find what would be the rights of the public or non members in privately setup t groups which are focused on generally supporting the Argonath RPG project.

An NGO (non governmental organisation) group which focuses on supporting members of the community whilst also marketing the product of Argonath RPG to  those outside of the community.

Some groups which I can name for example include - BCA / Bureau of Citizens Advice.

Generally my feels are that the public has a powerful say in such groups, but.. really... does the public even have any rights? What says they get a say? What is the power of the public views and perceptions?

Your feedback would be most appreciated.
- Eugatnom Etnom.

Argonath is a community, and that's because its has the players on one side and management on the other side both roles are irrelevant, if you don't have the other one, so yeah we all have the power.

Democracy is good only on paper, its impossible for all members of this community to have same positions, just like its impossible in RL, that all citizens of one country have the same positions or jobs.

We all have the freedom of speech, that you might know best as you criticizes many groups, ideas and from what i seen when you are criticizes you burst in the flames.

All Argo servers/divisions work, they all follow the same vision, in what efficiency?
 Who knows, what would you use as a bar to measure it?

All in all Argo is good as it is, as long as we as players don't take steps back, Argo will stay where it is or might even take few steps forward in the right direction.

On one can know what will happen in 1-2 years.

On the other side you sir are a cyber bully, demanding a response after 50 views is just...people need time to think about what you asked them.

[Mr. Goobii]

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[Tiny]

People who are in those 'teams' are there for a reason. You should not involve yourself, unless you don't have anything better to do in your life. I find it ridiculous, players comenting or even shitting on teams without even knowing what they're doing and why.

[Mr. Goobii]

What if that is the normally acting of Monte? 

[Sawyer]

Not sure if trolling or you are really just that much powerhungry. I don't even know what your point is with this topic. Seriously grow up a little.

[PulseEffect]

While I don't think a complete democracy can work in argonath, too many factors that lack. It's important that every individual does have at least an express of opinion. Actually having influence on the decisions made by developers would be desirable since a dev can't always be 100% right about everything and multiple sides form a complete picture... But for everyone's voice to be a tool of political persuasion becuse everyone's has to be respected, that would backfire immensely.
I've concluded in the past that argonath's hierarchy can be described as an oligarchy: A really small group of people having all the power and knowledge to really make a difference, but also the responsibility. And responsibility is something you'd rather leave up to the devs, not.. everyone.

Am I even answering the right question? 

Argonath is and is probably trying to enact some forms of democracy. As we all know, Argonath is basically a dictatorship but a good one of that. In regards to what power groups or players have, unless they're official and mainly active; not much at all.

Argonath is a community, and that's because its has the players on one side and management on the other side both roles are irrelevant, if you don't have the other one, so yeah we all have the power.

Last time I recall players having power was at the Argonath Oscars.  . We might be equal in terms of opportunity and such but there is nothing to prove that players have as equal much power as management. Management can promote Moderators, players can't.. I don't really see your point that we all have power there.

Democracy is good only on paper, its impossible for all members of this community to have same positions, just like its impossible in RL, that all citizens of one country have the same positions or jobs.

We all have the freedom of speech, that you might know best as you criticizes many groups, ideas and from what i seen when you are criticizes you burst in the flames.

This isn't socialism. And Argonath is notorious for having many people who speak their minds. Many people getting put down by Forum Moderators or players or administration against them.



@Monte
So no, groups and players unless their official, active and/or management/administration don't really have any power or say as much as we think we do.

[Khm]

wow...

[[NP]Monte Montague]

@Monte
So no, groups and players unless their official, active and/or management/administration don't really have any power or say as much as we think we do.

Sorry but could you reword that?

I think you misunderstood my point.

I was asking say if a group were to be setup, would it be the public right or not to try suggest, help or even criticize the group? or is it wrong for the public to expect such?

Spoiler for Hiden:

Everyone knows the community isn't a democracy but what is a democracy anyway but if a fancy word for an elected dictatorship. (but let's not discuss too in depth about politics)

I feel that any and all groups that say they work for the public, or the community / in the open should be ready for public criticism or support and not just tell them to go away / they have no say in it.

On the other side you sir are a cyber bully, demanding a response after 50 views is just...people need time to think about what you asked them.

I am sorry
I was just curious to know what people thought.

[Tiny]

Sorry but could you reword that?


I feel that any and all groups that say they work for the public, or the community / in the open should be ready for public criticism or support and not just tell them to go away / they have no say in it.

We would accept your opinion if you at least knew what we are doing. Really, you're not the right person to criticise something you don't even know about. Isn't that understandable?

[Manoni]

Lol

[Dutchy]

Monte's just trying to create a perspective for at least himself on what the general pseudo-political flow is like.
It looks like he's trying to find loopholes so to BS groups through, but really he's just curious.
That's why it's surprising to see 50 people don't care before 1 does, when it's about fundemental rights.