Stuff I'd like to point out. Please read.

[AlSforza]

Excellent post,  you already know my point of view. The only thing I have to point out is that post like this have been made years ago, and nothing really changed. Lets hope that this time you, as an admin, and input some other kind of feeling in the minds of the players. Don't get me wrong, it's an excellent post like I said, and I'm not criticizing you, just didn't expect this kind of turnout hehe.

[.Diego]

Excellent post,  you already know my point of view. The only thing I have to point out is that post like this have been made years ago, and nothing really changed. Lets hope that this time you, as an admin, and input some other kind of feeling in the minds of the players. Don't get me wrong, it's an excellent post like I said, and I'm not criticizing you, just didn't expect this kind of turnout hehe.

Ditto.

[TonySforza]

This exactly. There is a way to roleplay a character being aggressive and there is a way to be straight up disrespectful. Figure out the line and there will be no problems.

There is no such thing as a "straight up disrespectful" thing in RP, if people know the difference between RL and RP. Imagine if actors would take it personal to everything that is being said towards them in the movie scripts. boy oh boy...

Kidnappings are actually boring. Everyone knows how it will go. The kidnapped person might as well go AFK because all he can do is sit still and be on PM or cb to waste time. The kidnappers call the cops and stock on weapons to kill as many as possible, and the cops get another shooting gallery. Is that really fun enough to repeat 100 times daily?

A kidnap is only as boring as the kidnappers want it to be, most people just shove the victim in a room, gagged and leave them there, even recently that happened to me (You guys know who you are, take no offense, but gagging someone in a RP is just asking me to go AFK for a while).
Kidnap them but give them RP possibilities to escape, let them speak, let them interact, good God it's not that hard is it'

The main problems in here, besides the lack of RP rules which makes some RP scenarios completely moronic and weird (bad weird), is that people don't want to be on the loosing side of a RP and/or don't think that the RP is supposed to be fun for both sides and lead the RP to something that just involves fun for one party involved.

Seriously, this community could be the best RP community in both MTA and SAMP if there were actual control and rules in RP but maintaining the relaxed RP view of Argonath, make it a LIGHT RP server instead of a FREE RP server, no one's asking for a RL RP thing (which sucks donkey balls and we all know it), just simple things to keep the flow of the RP going, like not using PM to call for help, or /radio the police when you got your radio taken off in RP, or not being allowed to commit crimes openly in Pershing Square which is obvious cop baiting...

And halle-fuckin-lujah, a big AMEN and THANK YOU to the Angels of Death, Grove Street Families and 18th Street Barrio for bringing some actual decent and controlled RP aswell as VARIETY, kind of sick of Mafia vs Cop bull.

[Teddy]

And halle-f**kin-lujah, a big AMEN and THANK YOU to the Angels of Death, Grove Street Families and 18th Street Barrio for bringing some actual decent and controlled RP aswell as VARIETY, kind of sick of Mafia vs Cop bull.

Yes. Let these groups be a current example of what RP groups should be like.

Great points Tony

[Devin]

There is no such thing as a "straight up disrespectful" thing in RP, if people know the difference between RL and RP. Imagine if actors would take it personal to everything that is being said towards them in the movie scripts. boy oh boy...

Problems arise when players start to take offence to things said to them in a roleplay and that's when staff are forced to intervene which can ruin some good situations.

[TonySforza]

Problems arise when players start to take offence to things said to them in a roleplay.

They shouldn't, if it's strictly RP then it's towards their character and not the real them, no offense should be taken.

[Daco]

This exactly. There is a way to roleplay a character being aggressive and there is a way to be straight up disrespectful. Figure out the line and there will be no problems.

And that line would be involving real life or personal details in the dialogue, other than that it's good. (and staying out of public chat/PM etc.. which are not RP channels)
I once tried to roleplay a redneck waving the N word all the time, it didn't end well.

This exactly. There is a way to roleplay a character being aggressive and there is a way to be straight up disrespectful. Figure out the line and there will be no problems.

That's called being sensitive. If they start flipping, better leave the RP. (it's not forced)

[Tiny]

I would also like to point out that I have observed that lack of mental skill(?) from players to acknowledge what Argonath's vision really means leads to several issues. The most ridiculous thing is going to kidnap someone and he does " /em plz no force rp go read argonath vision "... and trust me it's a regular annoying sight.

If you don't understand how RP works then at least DO NOT open new families which you lead. I don't mean to say I'm better, but I have openned my own group after gaining some experience by serious roleplay families like Sforza and many others. You need knowledge to lead a group, because if you lack roleplaying skills and your members follow what you say.. then boom. You have a nice group of people causing trouble.

Please re-read aargonath's vision and some other important stickies at the groups and families boards, if you can't find them then PM me and I will show you.

If you are really willing to do something, it will happen. Don't be the people who post 'nothing changes, argo sux' waiting for the day everything will magically change. Roll up your sleves and get to working if you want something to change for good.

[Stivi]

Roll up your sleves and get to working if you want something to change for good.

This.

[Gandalf]

There is no such thing as a "straight up disrespectful" thing in RP, if people know the difference between RL and RP. Imagine if actors would take it personal to everything that is being said towards them in the movie scripts. boy oh boy...

A kidnap is only as boring as the kidnappers want it to be, most people just shove the victim in a room, gagged and leave them there, even recently that happened to me (You guys know who you are, take no offense, but gagging someone in a RP is just asking me to go AFK for a while).
Kidnap them but give them RP possibilities to escape, let them speak, let them interact, good God it's not that hard is it'

The main problems in here, besides the lack of RP rules which makes some RP scenarios completely moronic and weird (bad weird), is that people don't want to be on the loosing side of a RP and/or don't think that the RP is supposed to be fun for both sides and lead the RP to something that just involves fun for one party involved.

Seriously, this community could be the best RP community in both MTA and SAMP if there were actual control and rules in RP but maintaining the relaxed RP view of Argonath, make it a LIGHT RP server instead of a FREE RP server, no one's asking for a RL RP thing (which sucks donkey balls and we all know it), just simple things to keep the flow of the RP going, like not using PM to call for help, or /radio the police when you got your radio taken off in RP, or not being allowed to commit crimes openly in Pershing Square which is obvious cop baiting...

And halle-f**kin-lujah, a big AMEN and THANK YOU to the Angels of Death, Grove Street Families and 18th Street Barrio for bringing some actual decent and controlled RP aswell as VARIETY, kind of sick of Mafia vs Cop bull.

Once you start making up such rules they just keep piling on.
And honestly in many casesit can actually make the RP better.
I bring forward the famous case of State against the President for corruption where a certain Mr Corleone was giving testimony. In PM he received numerous offers bribing him to change his testimony multiple times. Which simply would not be possible under the rules you propose.

The problem here is indeed the idea of "winning". Winning in my opinion means everyone has had fun. If half (or all) are annoyed, everyone loses.

[Gandalf]

I would also like to point out that I have observed that lack of mental skill(?) from players to acknowledge what Argonath's vision really means leads to several issues. The most ridiculous thing is going to kidnap someone and he does " /em plz no force rp go read argonath vision "... and trust me it's a regular annoying sight.

If you don't understand how RP works then at least DO NOT open new families which you lead. I don't mean to say I'm better, but I have openned my own group after gaining some experience by serious roleplay families like Sforza and many others. You need knowledge to lead a group, because if you lack roleplaying skills and your members follow what you say.. then boom. You have a nice group of people causing trouble.

Please re-read aargonath's vision and some other important stickies at the groups and families boards, if you can't find them then PM me and I will show you.

If you are really willing to do something, it will happen. Don't be the people who post 'nothing changes, argo sux' waiting for the day everything will magically change. Roll up your sleves and get to working if you want something to change for good.

People who think that 'do not force roleplay' is a get-out-of-rp-free card do not understand what it means.
It is not meant as excuse not to play with others, but to ensure that people are not intimidated or bullied against their will.
for instance you give up as a criminal and want to be jailed because there is a meeting of your group, but the cop wants you to endure an hour long investigation.  In that case you have the right to get jailed as you wish, and can not be forced to sit through the investigation.
However if you get yourself in a position where you are kidnapped, you can not tell your kidnappers to let you go because you do not want to be forced. In that case, make some move that causes the kidnappers to either kill you or let you escape, and then proceed with your plans.

[Kalvin]

People who think that 'do not force roleplay' is a get-out-of-rp-free card do not understand what it means.
It is not meant as excuse not to play with others, but to ensure that people are not intimidated or bullied against their will.
for instance you give up as a criminal and want to be jailed because there is a meeting of your group, but the cop wants you to endure an hour long investigation.  In that case you have the right to get jailed as you wish, and can not be forced to sit through the investigation.
However if you get yourself in a position where you are kidnapped, you can not tell your kidnappers to let you go because you do not want to be forced. In that case, make some move that causes the kidnappers to either kill you or let you escape, and then proceed with your plans.

And a pretty similar thing happened with me in last few days where Hidduh was trucking around, earning money and we tried to rob him where he said 'He's not in mood to roleplay'(get-out-of-rp-free card so that he won't get robbed or die of not complying and keeps earning money by trucking) and reported us. Then there was this admin, I don't remember his name told us not go after him as he doesn't wants to roleplay and for this my fellow partner Luke was also temp banned as he denied of not going after him.
Anyways, It's good that it's clear now

[Tiny]

People who think that 'do not force roleplay' is a get-out-of-rp-free card do not understand what it means.

This is exactly what I explained above, which is the source of lots of problems during roleplaying on the server.

[TonySforza]

Once you start making up such rules they just keep piling on.

There was one division that made it work, not officialy but the players themselves set  those same rules for their own RP and I saw nothing but good and fun gaming.

And honestly in many casesit can actually make the RP better.

The bad outweights the good, something that people who go ingame and RP regularly can testify.

[Gandalf]

There was one division that made it work, not officialy but the players themselves set  those same rules for their own RP and I saw nothing but good and fun gaming.

The bad outweights the good, something that people who go ingame and RP regularly can testify.

If people can make it work by using common snese, why do you need to make it a rule? Spread it by example, make people understand it is more fun if you do it without shortcuts.