[Unbanned] George_savastano banned by Cyril

[George.karl]

Your in-game name:
George_savastano

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Script abuse

Admin who banned you:
Cyril

When you were banned:
yesterday

Additional notes:
Well I just have a few points to say for Cyril and Higher ranks, I discovered this Loan thingy a week back and I noticed so many players on the server already use it, Now I just have 2 points to say that I thought through and I want you to think about. Sometimes an admin can be wrong, its not always the fault of the player.. starting with this I will explain why, please read the entire thing before you judge.
1) this is a role play server, and in real life you can get a loan, buy a house and sell it and people will give you the money in cash.. If /purchase, /sell is abuse.. then getting a bullet from someone and buying ammunition for a cheaper price is also abuse, re-spawning cars by destroying them should also be an abuse and so on..
2) nothing is mentioned in any rules about doing that certain thing with loans.. the only rule is to pay it back or in the end of the day its your loss..

That's my time, and that's all I want to say, 4 players got banned and trust me 50 will if you don't think this though, its only an ABUSE if you're told you shouldn't be using it like that.. Or else it'll just be a smart method to convert your bank loan into cash..

After saying that ill leave everyone to judge, and Cyril I really respect you a lot, and if you think it was the right thing actually banning all these players then I do aswell, but please reply telling me your idea or your response to what I just said.

Thank you.

[Devin]

There is a difference between making use of a script to earn money and abusing a script to gain money.

What you did was abuse a script to gain money you did not have and then you wasted it on other things instead of a property which is what the loan is designed for.
Sure sometimes an admin can be wrong, but in this case you were exploiting a bug in the script for personal gain instead of reporting the bug to developers.

Just because there is nothing saying what you can and can't do with a loan does not make your actions right. This falls under script abuse.

[George.karl]

There is a difference between making use of a script to earn money and abusing a script to gain money.

What you did was abuse a script to gain money you did not have and then you wasted it on other things instead of a property which is what the loan is designed for.
Sure sometimes an admin can be wrong, but in this case you were exploiting a bug in the script for personal gain instead of reporting the bug to developers.

Just because there is nothing saying what you can and can't do with a loan does not make your actions right. This falls under script abuse.

Yes of course, i do understand what you're saying, but if you look closely, I am not gaining any money, in fact ill still have to pay the loan at the end of the day, all i am doing here is converting it, I am glad you just admitted that this should've been reported to the admins as a bug and that they probably "did not know about it" because i didn't know its a script abuse either? how am i supposed to know if admins themselves didn't know about it? get my point right?..

thanks a lot for your time.

[Devin]

Script abuse - Making use of a script to perform an action good or bad in a way it was not intended to work. In this case - to get money for nothing at that point in time.
It means nothing that you have to pay it back, the script is not designed to work like that and it should have been clear from the start when you figured out how to do it.

If the loan script was made to give you money then we would have scripted it to give you the cash in hand to do as you please.

[George.karl]

Script abuse - Making use of a script to perform an action good or bad in a way it was not intended to work. In this case - to get money for nothing at that point in time.
It means nothing that you have to pay it back, the script is not designed to work like that and it should have been clear from the start when you figured out how to do it.

If the loan script was made to give you money then we would have scripted it to give you the cash in hand to do as you please.

"Same goes with destroying your car so it re-spawns and not having to fix it using cash -SCRIPT ABUSE
Getting 1 bullet from a person then buying more bullets at cheaper price -SCRIPT ABUSE" (haven't seen a person being banned for any of these.)

Okay Sir.. You said it should be clear right? but when you go to the bank and type /help loans There is a part that says clearly "you can take loans from players, but expect more interest" right?
now when you recieve loans from players.. are they in cash form? or you can only buy houses with them?
cash form of course, and since it says the word "loans" it means that loans can be in cash form aswell..
Look i am very sorry for arguing again, but i have thought this through a million times.. And I am the type of person who does not argue unless he is at least 70% right, and to be honest, i don't want you to unban me or anything.. i just want you to admit that there is a mistake also from your side and from the admin team, that's all i ask you to do, just to admit it..

[Devin]

"Same goes with destroying your car so it re-spawns and not having to fix it using cash -SCRIPT ABUSE

Just no.

[George.karl]

Just no.

Alright then, Thank you for taking all what i said into consideration and reading it briefly and understanding.

[Cyril]

Your account will be reset to 5k and your assets removed before getting unbanned.

[Devin]

You can't see what you did wrong but you want to be unbanned, I really can't fathom the logic behind that.

[George.karl]

Your account will be reset to 5k and your assets removed before getting unbanned.

awesome! I didn't have 5k I'm the first place.. and assets already sold..

You can't see what you did wrong but you want to be unbanned, I really can't fathom the logic behind that.

As far as I remember I'm not doing anything wrong unless I'm told its wrong, and when I did it admins didn't know it existed probably, so who will tell me if its right or wrong, and from what you're saying you're probably not reading anything I ever said.. I mean after all its your right... u are a high rank and I'm a random player, you can bully me all you want and ignore all I say to prove that you haven't don't a single mistake and that everything is perfect except my mistakes.. Anyway they say with great power comes great responsibilities.. You're older than me and more experienced so I will respect youre wrong about so much and stubborn but I am a honest person and I just can't lie.. I'm sorry if "u think" i did anything wrong..

[Devin]

As far as I remember I'm not doing anything wrong unless I'm told its wrong, and when I did it admins didn't know it existed probably, so who will tell me if its right or wrong, and from what you're saying you're probably not reading anything I ever said..

So because admins don't walk you around the gardens of Argonath holding your hand telling you not to abuse a script for your own gain, there's nothing wrong in your mind.

I mean after all its your right... u are a high rank and I'm a random player, you can bully me all you want and ignore all I say to prove that you haven't don't a single mistake and that everything is perfect except my mistakes.. Anyway they say with great power comes great responsibilities.. You're older than me and more experienced so I will respect youre wrong about so much and stubborn but I am a honest person and I just can't lie.. I'm sorry if "u think" i did anything wrong..

And I am supposedly bullying you by telling you what you did wrong and what you abused, if that's the case I believe you need to figure out the difference between bullying and informing.
Your mistake was using a script in a way it was not intended to work, it's clear a property loan is used to purchase a property, nothing else.
Gaining money off of it should be obvious enough that it is abuse of the script, it makes no difference that you still have to pay it back.

[George.karl]

So because admins don't walk you around the gardens of Argonath holding your hand telling you not to abuse a script for your own gain, there's nothing wrong in your mind.

And I am supposedly bullying you by telling you what you did wrong and what you abused, if that's the case I believe you need to figure out the difference between bullying and informing.
Your mistake was using a script in a way it was not intended to work, it's clear a property loan is used to purchase a property, nothing else.
Gaining money off of it should be obvious enough that it is abuse of the script, it makes no difference that you still have to pay it back.

Alright,

Thank you for your time.

[Cyril]

Your account has been reset to 5,000$ and all your assets has been removed.