I need help regarding some rules. (I can't understand them - Criminals/Cops)

[RafaDK]

This has been around since RS3 and ihas there for nothing to do with any new script or rule. Just every now and then people try to get out of it.
As mentioned, the script that controls the escape is one of the most complex, and taking it out would make many people happy. However I can predict people will be crying for the return within weeks.

But noone is asking for the suspect system to be deleted, just to this new rule to be lifted it makes no sense RP-wise in most ofthe situations...

[Arslan]

You're embarassing yourself at this point.

It's what we all say when we're left speechless. Its cool.

[RafaDK]

It's what we all say when we're left speechless. Its cool.

I'm speechless to your lack of attitude as a Moderator. I also posted the logs, so I'm waiting for you to show me where did I say you were abusing.
So far, my opinion about you being blatantly lying did not change. You spread false accusations about me so why should we believe in anything you're saying now?

The logs have been posted, if you could copy paste the lines where I said FBI was abusing I'd be glad. Otherwise go lie somewhere else.

[Arslan]

Don't have time to argue with you. I proved wrong the reason this topic was made. All to do with the warrant. Enough said. All you guys did was make up stuff and began to contradict yourself.

As I said earlier it was a brief of what you were doing overall in /p. Moaning because your bff got arrested.

[.Diego]

Don't have time to argue with you.

It's what we all say when we're left speechless. Its cool.

 

[Arslan]

Nothing he said was related to the objective of this topic so why waste my time? Editing things out of context isn't funny.

[Gandalf]

But then again, directed at your first sentence, how is this going to make everyone have their happy and fun times, when you, the owner, are clearly saying that cops are supposed to win everytime? - And how is Roleplay anything related with 'following the principle where 'good guys' always win'? I'm sure Roleplay is something where you take actions that would be otherwise found IRL. Where you find a line based IRL, not a film. You don't find the good guys always winning throughout history, now do you? There isbalance between good and evil. For more scary that may sound, 'where's light, there's also darkness'.

I guess you need to learn a lot about roleplay. First of all I have explained our stance on how the play should be. If that does not make you happy, tough luck.
As for roleplay always being real life, tell that to the people who do Dungeons and Dragons or Vampire Diaries. roleplay...

And regarding the comment about the suspect, if you follow a line of realism, no member of a criminal group would leave anyone behind in a shootout, Mafias/Gangs have a code.
And what you're saying is, using Corleone as an example, they're having a shootout where the higher hierarchy members are involved, you expect them to leave the scene upon losing suspection and ignore the fact that their leaders are in danger because a script says so?
Even in a pursuit, that course of action would not happen in a movie where good guys are supposed to win. There would be no way where someone would go 'Well, they saw my face, and I shoot them, but something tells me I'm no longer wanted for some reason, so I'll just walk away and they will ignore me, else god may ban me'.

Gandalf, man, you know better. And know what I mean, you know me for years, I do have a point. I'm not asking for you to remove the suspect system entirely, leave it, it's fine. Just work around this rule, it makes no sense...

If people lose suspection in the middle of a shootout they are taking part in, there is something wrong with the script.
Not a realistic example there for.
Once again let me remind you of the history of th escape.
Initially there were just two options: fight or give up. Because of losing things when dying (at that particular time) lots op people did not want to die and quit when cornered. They asked ofr a possibility to lose suspection so they could get in to a new roleplay without having to die or give up.
Our initial script in RS3 was to confess in church. However the cops were both lazy and smart enough to sit with a stack of donuts in front of all churches and kill anyone who tried to confess. So that one was scrapped, leaving players with the wish to be able to escape.
Inspired by GTA:IV our then head scripter CBFASI created this, by making a script that would remove suspect level if you stay away from cops long enough. It seemed strange to anyone that you first try to stay away from cops until suspect is removed, and then decide to get back in to action. This lead to the current situation. As this was already present in RS3 and RS4 nobody should tell it is in any way a new rule.

[RafaDK]

Don't have time to argue with you. I proved wrong the reason this topic was made. All to do with the warrant. Enough said. All you guys did was make up stuff and began to contradict yourself.

As I said earlier it was a brief of what you were doing overall in /p. Moaning because your bff got arrested.

I asked something to the admin team, and noone of them seemed to be as upset as you're now. I asked something about the new rules since I came back from a long inactivity, I did not moan at all, you took it that way.
I'm still waiting to see where did I call FBI abusers.

And drop the attitude as a Moderator, you should be an example not someone who randomly insults when the tide turns against you.

[Gandalf]

But noone is asking for the suspect system to be deleted, just to this new rule to be lifted it makes no sense RP-wise in most ofthe situations...

As shown above it is not new at all and makews a lot of sense. Lifting it would simply make the escape possibility unneeded.

[RafaDK]

I guess you need to learn a lot about roleplay. First of all I have explained our stance on how the play should be. If that does not make you happy, tough luck.
As for roleplay always being real life, tell that to the people who do Dungeons and Dragons or Vampire Diaries. roleplay... If people lose suspection in the middle of a shootout they are taking part in, there is something wrong with the script.
Not a realistic example there for.
Once again let me remind you of the history of th escape.
Initially there were just two options: fight or give up. Because of losing things when dying (at that particular time) lots op people did not want to die and quit when cornered. They asked ofr a possibility to lose suspection so they could get in to a new roleplay without having to die or give up.
Our initial script in RS3 was to confess in church. However the cops were both lazy and smart enough to sit with a stack of donuts in front of all churches and kill anyone who tried to confess. So that one was scrapped, leaving players with the wish to be able to escape.
Inspired by GTA:IV our then head scripter CBFASI created this, by making a script that would remove suspect level if you stay away from cops long enough. It seemed strange to anyone that you first try to stay away from cops until suspect is removed, and then decide to get back in to action. This lead to the current situation. As this was already present in RS3 and RS4 nobody should tell it is in any way a new rule.

Actually I do some bit of Roleplay in some servers of WoW.
And the base still follows, you take RP actions as you'd otherwise do IRL. Set on the time and the ambience you're currently playing on, in this case in the world of Warcraft.
Roleplay is still consistently present these days, by going to a theater you see Roleplay. They're pretending and acting based upon the scene they're presenting to the audience.
Same goes here, as a roleplay based upon criminal activity we are surely supposed to escape, but when you're Roleplaying a criminal within a group, you would otherwise take the bullet for your leaders, and you have the fine example of Yakuza in the present days, where they mutilate themselves to prove loyalty. I'm sure I'm not the one who has to learn about Roleplay at all.

And the rule I'm talking about is the one where if we're sitting in a vehicle suspects, with other suspects and we have to abandon the vehicle because the script says we're no longer criminals it's just plain stupid and unbiased. Regarding the thing you said, losing suspection intentionaly,by being arrested just to re-join the Roleplay without the cops, that's another situation and it's not what I'm talking about here, nor on the first post.

[Stivi]

Gandalf, you should know by now good doesn't always win, at least not everywhere.

I've always been asked to leave when escaping, but always in /pm or /p by a cop. ( Then after by an admin, but the cop goes first. ) What's the point of committing THE SAME CRIME as your fellow, but the fellow gets the crime, because the script doesn't suspect two people, and then having to leave the situation because "escaped". Since when do you even escape in the RL ? The escape system has flaws, this rule is not a solution and obviously needs tweaking.

So, back in the past we dealt with the fact that police had an advantage over criminal groups simply because they could return as they please upon facing death in the same exact Roleplay scenario. Everyone used to discuss that until it became factual that it would be an allowed rule and it would stay. Alright, people accepted it and move on.

On a side-note: Why are cops STILL allowed to return after death ? They no longer obtain a new badge, as in rs4. All they get is new equipment.

[LoHi]

I haven't actually read anything more than the OP, but here's my take:

This rule is retarded.

Why:
I am a driver. My suspection time will be <10 minutes, because I'm not going to kill or shoot anyone. But I'm by far the best driver in any group I participate in, so they leave that to me. However, anyone else in my car may have a suspection time of 30 minutes or so, for killing someone (I don't agree with killing, especially what criminal groups today do, but sometimes it is required in RP). That leaves them in a difficult situation; cops chasing us, and me having to leave because of this rule.

What to do:
If there is a suspect in a passenger seat of the vehicle, automatically suspect the driver (after a certain time, 1 minute or such) for aiding. This suspection should be cleared (with delay, 1 minute or such) when the suspect leaves the car or is unsuspected.
I think this is by far the best choice, as it allows the rule to stay unchanged, but clears the worst case scenario for criminals (and admins).

[Alessandro]

Auto-suspect is just a bad thing. You execute someone in middle of the desert or in the middle of sea and you are suspected automatically? Why? Why there is /area command? If you want to encourage RP these things are completely unnecessary.

[Leon.]

thank you for your concise replies, Gandalf.

okay, so let's say I escape suspection (for aiding) successfully while driving my suspected (for killing cop) friend. no cops are in active pursuit, or at least not anywhere near us. am i still obligated to separate myself from him, or is this only applicable if there are police pursuing?

for how specific of a rule this is there sure is an awful lot of grey area. common sense tells me no i don't have to ditch him but just in case someone tells me otherwise...


also, to FBI: it's no fun roleplaying with you guys when it seems your only motive behind the roleplay is to pursue a criminal case - even less fun when you folks actually get angry and aggressive outside of roleplay when the roleplay is not going the way you want... if you're not having fun roleplaying then I'm not either and won't trouble you any further.

[Andeey]

Just gonna add into here, Most cops do this.. if your in say a sultan evading Police, and because your crime isnt worthy of being driveby'd and that your car is slower then the Police cruisers they cant Driveby but if you have a suspected Passenger and they driveby that allows them to fire back at you.. and if you get a gap inbetween and then the drivebyer gets unsuspected, does that mean that the cops can still driveby? because they mostly always do