I need help regarding some rules. (I can't understand them - Criminals/Cops)

[Spike.]

You forgot to show the part where you assaulted multiple federal agents instead of giving up and requesting an investigation.

[Brian]

Insightful.
During a gang/war where you're being out-numbered by another group, and you kill some of the attackers in order to defend yourself, get suspected and the ones who didn't get suspected, have to abandon their family not only against the attacking family in the first place, you now have to fight the cops as well. So basically as your enemies grow, your numbers lower.

Even in a Roleplay where you manage to get some of your members to eventually kidnap a member of a rival family, a cop sees it, suspects those who firstly performed the kidnap, you are no longer to aid them with it, because you are not a suspect.

This rule is not only affecting the Criminal/Cop RP. This is also affecting the rivalry between Mafias Roleplay.

I (but that's just for me, I am not talking for other staff) will not force you to leave your family members during a role play situation. Yet, during an attempt to escape (you are running from the cops) I will, as that is your goal. In another situation, something else is your goal, and I will act appropriately there if required. Every situation needs a different way of engaging it, another way of handling it and of course, looking at it another way

[.Diego]

You forgot to show the part where you assaulted multiple federal agents instead of giving up and requesting an investigation.

As I said before, I was unwilling to go through a 1-2 hour boring investigation.

[Spike.]

As I said before, I was unwilling to go through a 1-2 hour boring investigation.

Then do not moan about that situation

[Brian]

As I said before, I was unwilling to go through a 1-2 hour boring investigation.

An investigation of that nature is usually a 5-10min investigation, max.

[.Diego]

An investigation of that nature is usually a 5-10min investigation, max.

 

During my whole stay in the 18th Street Barrio, FBI got me under their custody atleast 5 times. All of those investigations took more than 1 hour. I'm talking from the beginning, where they frisk you, take pictures, prints,  etc, until they jail you on the end.

I'm sure more people can relate.

[RafaDK]

I (but that's just for me, I am not talking for other staff) will not force you to leave your family members during a role play situation. Yet, during an attempt to escape (you are running from the cops) I will, as that is your goal. In another situation, something else is your goal, and I will act appropriately there if required. Every situation needs a different way of engaging it, another way of handling it and of course, looking at it another way

In different situations yes.
But if I'm with my family, and lose my suspect status you can't really ask me, to leave them behind with the huge amount of cops behind them with M4. Makes no sense, that's leaving your family members to death, because a script says you're no longer a criminal when a few minutes ago, you were shooting against the cops.

This is what this rule brings. What shouldn't be allowed is, losing suspect and run to the nearest criminal to get suspect again.
But if you're suspect in the first place with your family members you should not ask them to stop the car, leave them behind, because you lost your suspect status.

[Brian]

During my whole stay in the 18th Street Barrio, FBI got me under their custody atleast 5 times. All of those investigations took more than 1 hour. I'm talking from the beginning, where they frisk you, take pictures, prints,  etc, until they jail you on the end.

I'm sure more people can say the same.

If you are suspected for aiding the SAPD will investigate you, not the FBI.

[Brian]

In different situations yes.
But if I'm with my family, and lose my suspect status you can't really ask me, to leave them behind with the huge amount of cops behind them with M4. Makes no sense, that's leaving your family members to death, because a script says you're no longer a criminal when a few minutes ago, you were shooting against the cops.

This is what this rule brings. What shouldn't be allowed is, losing suspect and run to the nearest criminal to get suspect again.
But if you're suspect in the first place with your family members you should not ask them to stop the car, leave them behind, because you lost your suspect status.

Then put in some other role play, as all I am seeing when someone is suspected is a shootout against the cops.

[Arslan]

During my whole stay in the 18th Street Barrio, FBI got me under their custody atleast 5 times. All of those investigations took more than 1 hour. I'm talking from the beginning, where they frisk you, take pictures, prints,  etc, until they jail you on the end.

I'm sure more people can relate.

Investigations very rarely go over an hour. Also that only happens when the other person wants to continue the RP and gives us reasons/things to investigate because he likes it. No one kept you for over an hour.

[Devin]

As I said before, I was unwilling to go through a 1-2 hour boring investigation.

Oh no someone wanted to roleplay with you, god forbid it be more than 5 minutes without shooting occurring you may die!

[.Diego]

Oh no someone wanted to roleplay with you, god forbid it be more than 5 minutes without shooting occurring you may die!

As far as I know, RP should be fun for both sides. I don't really want to be annoyed for 1h while playing a game.

[Brian]

As far as I know, RP should be fun for both sides. I don't really want to be annoyed for 1h while playing a game.

Then why aren't you the one making it fun?

I am hearing moans about cops just wanting to 'shoot and chase' criminals. But every time one of them engages a role play that doesn't involved shooting, criminals moan that they don't like it.

[RafaDK]

Then put in some other role play, as all I am seeing when someone is suspected is a shootout against the cops.

I usually don't tend to shoot at them, not anymore.
But most of the times I'm the driver. So if my partner shoots, gets suspected, I'm by default obligated to leave him there to the cops will, since he is suspect and I'm not?
Lets say this happened with NitrOx, when I used to be Stracci.

NitrOx gets shoot, I'm sitting in the car as a driver, he exites the vehicle, shoots the cop, in the middle of that more cops arrive, he has no chance of surviving other than run, and in that point, since he is the only suspect I'm expected to leave him against the whole army of cops who just arrived there or died, but decided to come back again because YOLO?
So I'll just leave my 'boss' to die because the rules say so?

How's that even making it fair to the criminal groups anymore?

We don't have free weapons, nor armours. If we die we're dead, we cannot return.
Now if we're not suspects we cannot join forces with our members who need our help to survive because.-..?

[Devin]

As far as I know, RP should be fun for both sides. I don't really want to be annoyed for 1h while playing a game.

No idea what your definition of fun is, but you can't expect everything to be like a gang orgy where everyone gets pleasure at the same time.