I need help regarding some rules. (I can't understand them - Criminals/Cops)

[Huntsman]

During my whole stay in the 18th Street Barrio, FBI got me under their custody atleast 5 times. All of those investigations took more than 1 hour. I'm talking from the beginning, where they frisk you, take pictures, prints,  etc, until they jail you on the end.

I'm sure more people can relate.

If you acted the way you're doing now, then no wonder. We have patience.

[Gnb_22]

You guys like to take every topic and just run sooooooo far away from the main point. Raf just used an example in his topic. Instead of debating the rule or giving him some insight on it you guys turned this into a Criminal vs FBI shit topic.

[Brian]

I usually don't tend to shoot at them, not anymore.
But most of the times I'm the driver. So if my partner shoots, gets suspected, I'm by default obligated to leave him there to the cops will, since he is suspect and I'm not?
Lets say this happened with NitrOx, when I used to be Stracci.

NitrOx gets shoot, I'm sitting in the car as a driver, he exites the vehicle, shoots the cop, in the middle of that more cops arrive, he has no chance of surviving other than run, and in that point, since he is the only suspect I'm expected to leave him against the whole army of cops who just arrived there or died, but decided to come back again because YOLO?
So I'll just leave my 'boss' to die because the rules say so?

How's that even making it fair to the criminal groups anymore?

We don't have free weapons, nor armours. If we die we're dead, we cannot return.
Now if we're not suspects we cannot join forces with our members who need our help to survive because.-..?

If you are there the whole situation, so from the start, you can assist your 'ally'. Yet, your MAIN goal as a suspect is to escape. So if you have done that. You have to leave.
So what do you want, the script to keep you suspected until everyone around you has 1 second left on their wanted timer and then have everyone escape at the same time?

[.Diego]

Then why aren't you the one making it fun?

It's fun for the first or second time. But after some times the process gets too repetitious.

Oh no someone wanted to roleplay with you, god forbid it be more than 5 minutes without shooting occurring you may die!

I find it lame that you say that to me, I'm one of the players who promote roleplay on this community. I barely even carry guns unless people tell me to do so.

The main reason that 18th closed and not the only, is the fact that the level of roleplay on the argonath community was too low. It was really sad to go roleplay with someone without cops camping us to see if we were going to do something wrong. And I'm not just talking about the cops, there were plenty of players that went full brackets as soon as we got to them, (( OMG DONT ROB ME I KNOW GSF )), ((PLS SPARE MY LIFE)), that kind of behaviour isn't really cool for someone who tries to roleplay.

And you should look at yourself before you say that to me. Once 18th tried to rob you, the only thing you did was to bunnyhop to a bar and heal yourself, as soon as we entered the bar to get you, we were welcomed with a shotgun, not saying a single word during the whole scene. And I tought leaders should give the example.

[Brian]

I find it lame that you say that to me, I'm one of the players who promote roleplay on this community. I barely even carry guns unless people tell me to do so.

The main reason that 18th closed and not the only, is the fact that the level of roleplay on the argonath community was too low. It was really sad to go roleplay with someone without cops camping us to see if we were going to do something wrong. And I'm not just talking about the cops, there were plenty of players that went full brackets as soon as we got to them, (( OMG DONT ROB ME I KNOW GSF )), ((PLS SPARE MY LIFE)), that kind of behaviour isn't really cool for someone who tries to roleplay.

And you should look at yourself before you say that to me. Once 18th tried to rob you, the only thing you did was to bunnyhop to a bar and heal yourself, as soon as we entered the bar to get you, we were welcomed with a shotgun, not saying a single word during the whole scene. And I tought leaders should give the example.

Take a look at the picture you posted and the other posts and try again, you did exactly what you just said what shouldn't be done.

[RafaDK]

If you are there the whole situation, so from the start, you can assist your 'ally'. Yet, your MAIN goal as a suspect is to escape. So if you have done that. You have to leave.
So what do you want, the script to keep you suspected until everyone around you has 1 second left on their wanted timer and then have everyone escape at the same time?

I want it to be like in RS4, where you would be able to remain in the vehicle until everyone eventually escaped.
If you're going to take each member at the time, eventually one of your family members will be left alone against the Hordes of SAPD with free M4 and armor.

Keep the suspect system exactly as it is. And lift that stupid rule.
Because as I said before, it not only affects Criminal/COP Roleplay but it also affects the Roleplay between Mafia-Groups.

Soon we will have nothing in our favor to keep the Criminal Roleplay interesting since the SAPD has everything in their favor.
Consequently we're already planing to be part of the Police as a whole.

We're not asking for free weapons.
We're not asking to get free armor.
We're not asking to get allowed to return after death.
The only thing we want is to be able to choose if we want to remain suspects and help our friends, and follow our purpose of losing our wanted suspection.
Basically you're removing the choice of our hands on how to Roleplay and develop our character, and that goes against all the Roleplay nature-laws.

[.Diego]

Take a look at the picture you posted and the other posts and try again, you did exactly what you just said what shouldn't be done.

I know I did, because I got tired of trying for months to unsucessfully promote roleplay on argonath when near cops, because it's nearly useless.

[Brian]

I want it to be like in RS4, where you would be able to remain in the vehicle until everyone eventually escaped.
If you're going to take each member at the time, eventually one of your family members will be left alone against the Hordes of SAPD with free M4 and armor.

Keep the suspect system exactly as it is. And lift that stupid rule.
Because as I said before, it not only affects Criminal/COP Roleplay but it also affects the Roleplay between Mafia-Groups.

Soon we will have nothing in our favor to keep the Criminal Roleplay interesting since the SAPD has everything in their favor.
Consequently we're already planing to be part of the Police as a whole.

We're not asking for free weapons.
We're not asking to get free armor.
We're not asking to get allowed to return after death.
The only thing we want is to be able to choose if we want to remain suspects and help our friends, and follow our purpose of losing our wanted suspection.
Basically you're removing the choice of our hands on how to Roleplay and develop our character, and that goes against all the Roleplay nature-laws.

As I said already, the rule has been there for long, it just was not enforced that much until Gandalf had made another post about it.

[Devin]

And you should look at yourself before you say that to me. Once 18th tried to rob you, the only thing you did was to bunnyhop to a bar and heal yourself, as soon as we entered the bar to get you, we were welcomed with a shotgun, not saying a single word during the whole scene. And I tought leaders should give the example.

  Please man, stop making me laugh. I didn't shoot anyone when you entered the bar until people started getting too close for comfort.
And yes, I did speak and roleplay but I guess you couldn't read it.

[Brian]

I know I did, because I got tired of trying for months to unsucessfully promote roleplay on argonath when near cops, because it's nearly useless.

As if we don't get tired getting shot at every time we try to engage a role play situation. You ran around like a headless chicken, and as said by multiple people assaulted them. Instead of moaning set an example, yes it may be tiring but if you just stop doing what you say is good, and then blame it on others, what kind of example are you?

[.Diego]

Please man, stop making me laugh. I didn't shoot anyone when you entered the bar until people started getting too close for comfort.
And yes, I did speak and roleplay but I guess you couldn't read it.

Stop distorting facts, you may have said one word or another but that doesn't deny the fact that you asspulled a a shotgun and shot us without any previous warning, which nowadays is considered DM'ing, I wasn't the only one there who saw the whole situation.

[Gnb_22]

If you are there the whole situation, so from the start, you can assist your 'ally'. Yet, your MAIN goal as a suspect is to escape. So if you have done that. You have to leave.
So what do you want, the script to keep you suspected until everyone around you has 1 second left on their wanted timer and then have everyone escape at the same time?

There is no such thing as a main goal as a suspect you guys are just making this shit up as you go along. You can't tell me my intentions as a suspect. As long as a criminal is not cop baiting or hunting admins shouldn't be involved in Criminal affairs. Cops are lazy and have no tatics and skills so they are relying on admins to help them do their work. They are only keeping for this rule to avoid having to deal with multiple suspects. Losing suspection doesn't change the fact that the player is still a criminal and can still participate in the situation. With that logic FBI and SAPD shouldnt be allowed to issue warrents on the criminal seeing that he has already lost his suspection and isn't involved in the situation.

[.Diego]

As if we don't get tired getting shot at every time we try to engage a role play situation. You ran around like a headless chicken, and as said by multiple people assaulted them. Instead of moaning set an example, yes it may be tiring but if you just stop doing what you say is good, and then blame it on others, what kind of example are you?

Is that hard to read? I'm tired of giving examples, go and browse through the whole 18th topic. It is useless to give examples to someone who doesn't want to learn.

[Gnb_22]

As I said already, the rule has been there for long, it just was not enforced that much until Gandalf had made another post about it.

Where ? Provide a link please.

[RafaDK]

As I said already, the rule has been there for long, it just was not enforced that much until Gandalf had made another post about it.

I'm around since 2009 and that rule has never been enforced or even pointed out.
During events Gandalf himself sat with criminals in vehicles who partaked in events and got criminal status and fled from the cops.

That post of yours makes no sense and I'll keep my post up until someone with power and long term knowledge of the server and how it used to be prior to RS5 and even RS4 replies to me with something more than a vain reply like that.
Because that rule has never been mentioned until RS5.

I want it to be like in RS4, where you would be able to remain in the vehicle until everyone eventually escaped.
If you're going to take each member at the time, eventually one of your family members will be left alone against the Hordes of SAPD with free M4 and armor.

Keep the suspect system exactly as it is. And lift that stupid rule.
Because as I said before, it not only affects Criminal/COP Roleplay but it also affects the Roleplay between Mafia-Groups.

Soon we will have nothing in our favor to keep the Criminal Roleplay interesting since the SAPD has everything in their favor.
Consequently we're already planing to be part of the Police as a whole.

We're not asking for free weapons.
We're not asking to get free armor.
We're not asking to get allowed to return after death.
The only thing we want is to be able to choose if we want to remain suspects and help our friends, and follow our purpose of losing our wanted suspection.
Basically you're removing the choice of our hands on how to Roleplay and develop our character, and that goes against all the Roleplay nature-laws.