I need help regarding some rules. (I can't understand them - Criminals/Cops)

[Huntsman]

It seems administration has run out of locks. Here, take mine:

[Brian]

It seems administration has run out of locks. Here, take mine:

- very nice padlock-

Topics should not be locked unless there is no sense in the discussion, or it is just a flame war/ provocation topic. (Or when an answer has been given on for example a 'my PC died' topic)

[Huntsman]

Topics should not be locked unless there is no sense in the discussion, or it is just a flame war/ provocation topic. (Or when an answer has been given on for example a 'my PC died' topic)

But wasn't the point made already anyways?

[Hady.]

* Leans back

 

[Louis H]

Oh here we go again.

[CharlieKasper]

* Leans back

10/10

[RafaDK]

Here you are, please notice the date...

Evading the cops until your wanted level is removed is one of the ways to end a roleplay, just as is being killed or being jailed.
As soon as your RHL expires you are no longer part of the roleplay, and there for it is not 'legal' to aid them in any way, including opening fire.

In theory, you should leave the group however that opens the problem that you may be standed in the middle of nowhere. For this the discussion here has been moved to a topic to create workable solution.

It is not legal, which makes it illegal, not against the rules of the server, are we clarified about this?
Just because you're not part of the Roleplay with the cops, you're still part of the Roleplay that got you a suspection in the first place.
So therefore it's your choice to whether you aid them further or leave the group since you're no longer linked with the secondary RP which involves the Police.
Yet you're linked to the RP before the suspection, so it's for you to decide if you either keep aiding it or not. (That taking it into the Roleplay side as Gandalf started with)

Taking it to the word, he said it's 'not legal' which as I said, makes it illegal. No objection towards that, but he never mentioned it was against the server rules. Plus, the cops will always be the first to shoot a vehicle where suspects are in, so as a counter measure you will open fire. Which leads to this rule being irrelevant and that's why noone enforced it before.

So who had the bright idea of enforcing it again?

[LoHi]

Bumping for feedback.

I haven't actually read anything more than the OP, but here's my take:

This rule is retarded.

Why:
I am a driver. My suspection time will be <10 minutes, because I'm not going to kill or shoot anyone. But I'm by far the best driver in any group I participate in, so they leave that to me. However, anyone else in my car may have a suspection time of 30 minutes or so, for killing someone (I don't agree with killing, especially what criminal groups today do, but sometimes it is required in RP). That leaves them in a difficult situation; cops chasing us, and me having to leave because of this rule.

What to do:
If there is a suspect in a passenger seat of the vehicle, automatically suspect the driver (after a certain time, 1 minute or such) for aiding. This suspection should be cleared (with delay, 1 minute or such) when the suspect leaves the car or is unsuspected.
I think this is by far the best choice, as it allows the rule to stay unchanged, but clears the worst case scenario for criminals (and admins).

[Devin]

So who had the bright idea of enforcing it again?

Gandalf.

[RafaDK]

Gandalf.

His post was from 2013, and even back then noone would enforce such a rule, so I doubt.

[Stivi]

Now that this is cleared up, I would like to request a manager makes sure this:

It is not legal, which makes it illegal, not against the rules of the server, are we clarified about this?

Taking it to the word, he said it's 'not legal' which as I said, makes it illegal. No objection towards that, but he never mentioned it was against the server rules. Which leads to this rule being irrelevant and that's why noone enforced it before.

goes to the admin boards ?

It seems administration has run out of locks. Here, take mine:

Why don't you use it on yourself ? Your mouth needs one.

[Devin]

It is not legal, which makes it illegal, not against the rules of the server, are we clarified about this?
Just because you're not part of the Roleplay with the cops, you're still part of the Roleplay that got you a suspection in the first place.
So therefore it's your choice to whether you aid them further or leave the group since you're no longer linked with the secondary RP which involves the Police.
Yet you're linked to the RP before the suspection, so it's for you to decide if you either keep aiding it or not. (That taking it into the Roleplay side as Gandalf started with)

Taking it to the word, he said it's 'not legal' which as I said, makes it illegal. No objection towards that, but he never mentioned it was against the server rules. Plus, the cops will always be the first to shoot a vehicle where suspects are in, so as a counter measure you will open fire. Which leads to this rule being irrelevant and that's why noone enforced it before.

So who had the bright idea of enforcing it again?

It's down to his incorrect wording, there's nothing to do with being legal and illegal when it comes to this. It is a rule not a law.

[Stivi]

It's down to his incorrect wording, there's nothing to do with being legal and illegal when it comes to this. It is a rule not a law.

Since it's not up to him, can we change it ?

It's flawed, and I believe the arguments given in this topic can help in understanding why. ( Not the FBI ones...)

[Huntsman]

Why don't you use it on yourself ? Your mouth needs one.

Not for you to decide, shmuck

[Alessandro]

That is a very heavy accusation considering the fact we don't respond to suspects anymore unless directly asked for assistance or the crime is a federal one. We do not and never did support orange dot hunting policy.
Our roleplays are performed in our HQ. If you were ever detained by the FBI, you would know.

Yet, it is not us moaning and complaining. It has become rather a standart for criminal organisations to moan with creating a public topic of nothing but plain crapping on the ARPD whenever stuff does not go their way. And even in those cases the complaints are very rarely legit. They are not even about fair or unfair. It's about "I'M GONNA HAVE IT MY WAY NO MATTER WHAT." You do not see cops creating moaning topics whenever they get pointlessly deathmatched or have their roleplays ruined by criminal organisations on a daily basis. But just you dare to do something a criminal does not like, there's dozen of public topics shitting on the cops and how they're abusive and so on. So it's really questionable which side is being disgusting.

Yes i was detained a couple of times, and i wouldnt let that happen ever again. Each time i would fight to death if i have to, just to avoid forced rp that lasted for hour or hour and a half, that other people mentioned here already. Of course that there is no one that opens topics because you have huge advantages in all matters, would be shameless to even complain on anything.

Could say the same for quite an amount of criminals, just pull out their guns and shoot.
A few weeks ago I was doing ARA work, just minding my own business, got kidnapped by a group of 4 people for no reason, they knocked me out, starting arguing about how rich I was and killed me. Cops do not always 'enjoy' a role play either. And both parties have to work on their intensity of roleplays, we are all here to have fun, and we all have to work for that to work.

I agreee that some of these exist, but on the other hand criminals are only ones that actually START any kind of roleplay. What prevents feds of doing undercover work for example? Or the other cops doing anything else that actually helps citizens, as that is the main role for them? Does everything they have to do is to harass people with infinite traffic stops or hunt to death people that evaded from ts? If that's what it all came to then im really dissapointed.