HQ - stop banning for bullshit

[CBFasi]

I'm not here to form a protest against the HQ.

Then what is the point of the rest of the post ?

Every member of the HQ have their own perspective to things and I believe that is a problem.

Actually its the biggest strength, if was all the same then one mistake is everyone's mistake!

HOWEVER that does not mean that you go running to a HQ member who you know thinks differently when another has not answered in a way that benefits  you!!  (this DOES happen)

I'm just confident that some of your actions are contributing to the sever's problems.

I actually agree that some actions from HQ are contributing to server problems...
 
HOWEVER (again) there is a bigger problem with players who think there is only a yes or no answer to problems.... most the time it depends on interpretation of many factors which means its never straight forward, accept what the staff member has told you, do not try and undermine them, it will often mean getting treated worse if you do..


One thing that has not helped is the staff reactions are often based on how they get treated by the players, some are heavy in reaction, some are light, if they have been shat on (and quite a few HQ staff have been) they are more likely to punish heavily..  I could name a few but its the players who have caused this.
Some of us are trying to change to a more tolerant, but this not sit well with players who moan about the slightest problem and use /report for those 'minor' things.

If you want better balance, then maybe look across the whole community and not just moaning about the staff.

[Kaze]

So you are telling me the HQ judges on the punishment from their attitude in the situation? What if the admin instant bans without no time to talk to the player? I'm not talking about hacks because that is instant DM..

[Pandalink]

Some of us are trying to change to a more tolerant, but this not sit well with players who moan about the slightest problem and use /report for those 'minor' things.

So don't indulge them. If someone abuses the report command as just another tool in their arsenal against other players, tell them where to go basically.


The admins interpreting rules individually is a problem for consistency, but it does teach players (most of which are fairly young) important skills about dealing with things like heirarchies in future jobs. They will learn to identify who they can count on and how to avoid those they can't, or how to act amicably to an incompetent boss, so that's something at least.

[Andeey]

How about everyone just Obeys the rules. then things should be fine.. in some cases a perm ban isnt necessary though

[Pandalink]

How about everyone just Obeys the rules.

You can obey the rules as much as you want, if an admin decides you didn't then you're a bit screwed.

[clancker]

The constant problem from the administration in Argonath, is that every admin haves different point of view, which leads that every admin have's different rules, i had been punished not once for something that the one of the admins tell me it's allowed, and the other just jump in and punish me. However this need's to be changed maybe you could do some kind of protocol in the private staff boards, how a different rulebreak should be handled and so on would help really out.

About legal scamming, well this kind of scam it's not allowed from long time, but it should be changed as they is court for those thinks, that could be used to have more roleplay, You scam in legal deal you get sued, and the money that you need to pay back is double or even triple, this is enough punishment for the scammers, i remember once i got banned for attempt to loan scam, using the court rules and the consitutition to my obligations, i got my bank account handed to me with any minus amout of money, but i was also banned from the server which i deserved at that time because i broke a rule at all. How ever i am trying to point out that to get fined for money that you need to work 2-3 months is pretty enough.

[Kessu]

The administration team is made of human beings, 100%. We have feelings, and if you manage to piss us off with your ignorance or just plain disrespecting, you should know the staff won't take it lightly. There's some degree of lack of respect on both sides of the coin here, but that's always been around and it always will. Players won't respect admins because they're "parent figures" or "authority" in the server, whilst some admins may get arrogant just because they have the rank and some players don't.

From my personal experience as admin (been one for a very, VERY long time, arguably one of the longest times in Argonath) if a player treats me with respect, even if they break a rule I'll give them the same respect back, but if a players tells me to piss off and mind my own business whilst they break the rules, I won't stick around watching their shit, I'll just remove them from the server. Same goes for repeat-offenders and people who are there simply to ruin others fun.

Requlars (or veterans, whatever you want to call them) are expected to follow the rules and be a example to the new players. Don't expect a light treatment if you continuously keep fucking up.


You don't want to be banned for bullshit reason? Stop doing that said bullshit and you won't be, it's as simple as that.

[Devin]

One admin might ban me for carjacking but another admin might just give me a warning.

No one has been banned for breaking a single rule like carjacking, it will be made up of multiple rules broken, if you want to use a ban as an example at least use something legitimate instead of pretty much making up a reason to complain.

The HQ need to stop giving permanent bans for minor things ingame. This has been happening a lot and I believe that is the reason why we have created so many enemies which leads to frequent DDoS's.

You really shouldn't blame people being banned for attacks, it's their behaviour that got them banned from the server in the first place. They were unable to follow the rules laid out so they were removed as they should have been.

When it comes to the unban request itself, 50% of the time the banned player is innocent. Well not really innocent but his action is not that deep to be bannable. The funny thing with the HQ is most of the time (i'm not saying ALL) they are wrong and yet still want an apology from the banned victim before the unban. It is very painful to apologise for something you don't mean.

Go ahead, keep saying HQ is wrong most of the time. Continue to create rumours and spread them both on the forum and in-game. Yes we do have logs in-game and I am sure you are aware of that.
We will not ask an innocent person to apologize for their actions, if someone is banned and there is no evidence to put up against their appeal to be unbanned they will get unbanned.
If a player is too hard headed as you say to admit their faults, why should we let them back?

Logically speaking, why would you ban someone for scamming? That's the kind of shit that I'm talking about. Let's assume the scamming was illegal (drugs). Let roleplay take it's course! Maybe the victim now goes and calls his boys and goes on a hunt to find the guy that robbed his weed?

No one gets banned for scamming on illegal deals like drugs. People will get banned for scamming on legal deals when they show no remorse, those scamming on legal deals just to try and ruin something another player has built will be faced with bans. The courts could deal with it, sure.
However why waste everyones time going through the courts to sue someone who doesn't care about playing and are just here to ruin other players time in the server?

If people knew how to behave ingame things could be eased up but unfortunately people want staff to act like babysitters for them at all times.

It's little stuff like this from the HQ that causes the shitstorm. I'm not saying that we, the players, are angels because we are not. But I'll bet that the HQ contributes to the DDoS's that occur.

Waka
SF_Sa
DHR.Mike (or w/e the guys name is)

is just one of the suspects (personally) that go on to do these DDoS's and other activites which ruin our fun. You have banned countless of people for ''bullshit'' reasons and that needs to stop.

You should seriously stop spreading rumours about matters you are not even aware of.

[Mikro]

It's simple. Don't do things that you don't like others to do to you and you stay within the rules without knowing them, that happens to me.

The administration team is made of human beings, 100%. We have feelings, and if you manage to piss us off with your ignorance or just plain disrespecting, you should know the staff won't take it lightly. There's some degree of lack of respect on both sides of the coin here, but that's always been around and it always will. Players won't respect admins because they're "parent figures" or "authority" in the server, whilst some admins may get arrogant just because they have the rank and some players don't.

From my personal experience as admin (been one for a very, VERY long time, arguably one of the longest times in Argonath) if a player treats me with respect, even if they break a rule I'll give them the same respect back, but if a players tells me to piss off and mind my own business whilst they break the rules, I won't stick around watching their shit, I'll just remove them from the server. Same goes for repeat-offenders and people who are there simply to ruin others fun.

Requlars (or veterans, whatever you want to call them) are expected to follow the rules and be a example to the new players. Don't expect a light treatment if you continuously keep f**cking up.


You don't want to be banned for bullshit reason? Stop doing that said bullshit and you won't be, it's as simple as that.

 

Indeed, people should stop trying to find and push the edges. Keep away from those edges and you will most likely not ever step over them (by accident). Besides, the enjoyment in the game can only get better from it, since players will notice and acknowledge you for the fair play and fair treatment.

[Rick.]

No one has been banned for breaking a single rule like carjacking, it will be made up of multiple rules broken, if you want to use a ban as an example at least use something legitimate instead of pretty much making up a reason to complain.

Could refer to my latest unban request. Calling one a child through an email which is a report does not warrant a kick, nonetheless a ban.

[Devin]

Could refer to my latest unban request. Calling one a child through an email which is a report does not warrant a kick, nonetheless a ban.

Your attitude in the server towards staff was a contributing factor.

[Kaze]

Punishments since my last ban

Ignore the kick and the banana's. Look at the warning. Although Mario got it wrong (not getting into that though), I know that other admins would of tempbanned or even banned me for that.

That is what I'm trying to say, different admins have different perspectives to it.

[Devin]

And consider this, he's a moderator who does not have access to the tempban command.
I really can't get why people want to waste so much time crying about staff and HQ instead of behaving in-game and not getting punished.

[Kaze]

And consider this, he's a moderator who does not have access to the tempban command.
I really can't get why people want to waste so much time crying about staff and HQ instead of behaving in-game and not getting punished.

You're clearly taking this the wrong way. I am not ''crying'' but suggesting the HQ come up with some sort of system for the HQ to follow. Back to the punishments above, only Trane's banana was valid. 1/4 verdicts were actually correct. I didn't make this topic for myself, I've just witnessed bizzare bans over the years and I feel it would be good to discuss about it.

[beLTa]

I don't know what the actual goal of yours is but I got one thing to ask;

Why the whole community always goes against the team? Against the HQ? It's another topic by you which simply wants HQ to follow the players. Why you guys don't change your ownselves instead of blaming HQ? If you'll break the rule, you'll obviously get the warning. If you'll keep repeating the it, you want them to give you another warning? And so on..Simply no idea what you want to do.