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Reply #45 on: May 05, 2015, 12:55:48 pm
Because these servers have clear rules for IC and O.O.C. which the people adapted to over time, making it easier for new players to follow.
Argonath chooses for 'no restrictions' and this is what you get. :)

The registration system can be copied and changed to own words lol

If Argonath adopted rules like other servers or server in particular you'd just see a influx of punishments happening on the people who severely lack the understanding of what roleplay is and how it should be done.  Not saying that would be a bad thing mind you.


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Reply #46 on: May 05, 2015, 01:07:46 pm
Because these servers have clear rules for IC and O.O.C. which the people adapted to over time, making it easier for new players to follow.
Argonath chooses for 'no restrictions' and this is what you get. :)

The registration system can be copied and changed to own words lol

Not exactly, a IC / OOC system doesn't essentially change the way players behave when they have no script restrictions / limitations. Understanding and respecting the rules and regulations, but also knowing the harsh consequences if these rules and regulations are not followed is the main reason people refrain from abusing the scripts. Besides that I think that Emmett made a valid point by saying that a server registration system creates a playerbase that can't just start up a VPN and rejoin the server once they're banned, as they would have to go through a long process each time they'd even attempt creating a account. Basically, this filters most of the players that have no understanding of what the server is about out of those other communities.

However what Teddy said a page earlier is completely right, "Just not in Argonath apparently because we're to lenient".  Argonath has had multiple cases of month-long DDoS-attacks by identified players that were basically in love with the server, but no longer allowed within the community. Those other communities that have a somewhat difficult registration method by having to be accepted through a application before being allowed on the server basically filtered out those idiots before they could even fall in love with their community.. hence the reason why the amount of rulebreakers and DDoS attacks are much lower there.

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Reply #47 on: May 05, 2015, 01:18:43 pm
If Argonath adopted rules like other servers or server in particular you'd just see a influx of punishments happening on the people who severely lack the understanding of what roleplay is and how it should be done.  Not saying that would be a bad thing mind you.

I must say that it's much easier for a newcomer to learn the roleplay rules of the IC/OOC system. There are various rules on Argonath that are a bit hard to understand for a newcomer.  :rolleyes:



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Reply #48 on: May 05, 2015, 03:08:28 pm
If Argonath adopted rules like other servers or server in particular you'd just see a influx of punishments happening on the people who severely lack the understanding of what roleplay is and how it should be done.  Not saying that would be a bad thing mind you.
It's too late for a change this big, even though it's the only way - together with a fool-proof script - to get rid of the ''idiots'' who deny us from getting ''the nice things''.

It's not the players that need to be blamed, it's the rules and the (very) lenient scripts which gain the players space to act like in a free-roam server. If anything, blame the ones who believe maintaining those outdated rules would do good to this community.


Not exactly, a IC / OOC system doesn't essentially change the way players behave when they have no script restrictions / limitations. Understanding and respecting the rules and regulations, but also knowing the harsh consequences if these rules and regulations are not followed is the main reason people refrain from abusing the scripts. Besides that I think that Emmett made a valid point by saying that a server registration system creates a playerbase that can't just start up a VPN and rejoin the server once they're banned, as they would have to go through a long process each time they'd even attempt creating a account. Basically, this filters most of the players that have no understanding of what the server is about out of those other communities.

However what Teddy said a page earlier is completely right, "Just not in Argonath apparently because we're to lenient".  Argonath has had multiple cases of month-long DDoS-attacks by identified players that were basically in love with the server, but no longer allowed within the community. Those other communities that have a somewhat difficult registration method by having to be accepted through a application before being allowed on the server basically filtered out those idiots before they could even fall in love with their community.. hence the reason why the amount of rulebreakers and DDoS attacks are much lower there.
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Reply #49 on: May 05, 2015, 03:57:25 pm
In my opinion, this is excessive.

This is a RP server. If users are caught towing vehicles illegally, the issue should be addressed through the proper route i.e. the SAPD.

Keep admins out of RP.



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Reply #50 on: May 05, 2015, 03:59:21 pm
In my opinion, this is excessive.

This is a RP server. If users are caught towing vehicles illegally, the issue should be addressed through the proper route i.e. the SAPD.

Keep admins out of RP.

I agree.



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Reply #51 on: May 05, 2015, 04:15:56 pm
In my opinion, this is excessive.

This is a RP server. If users are caught towing vehicles illegally, the issue should be addressed through the proper route i.e. the SAPD.

Keep admins out of RP.

Illegaly = Towing a vehicle in a proper RP way, the vehicle was not supposed to be towed.
Script abuse/ trolling/ etc = driving past a cop/ rival crew and towing their cars away while they RP by just typing /tow, or going in to the PD garage to tow all their cars to mountain chiliad.



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Reply #52 on: May 05, 2015, 04:38:08 pm
If Argonath adopted rules like other servers or server in particular you'd just see a influx of punishments happening on the people who severely lack the understanding of what roleplay is and how it should be done.  Not saying that would be a bad thing mind you.
If Argonath adopted rules like other servers why would anyone stick around? People like this server because the community isn't full of tryhard miserable sacks of shit like strict RP servers. Try to change the rules and you'll just have an inferior wannabe, not welcoming to those who don't like strict RP and not professional enough for those who do.

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Reply #53 on: May 05, 2015, 10:48:51 pm
You can get through the registration system and in-game in 15 minutes effortlessly.

Maybe you can, but not someone who doesn't understand english and who doesn't know what roleplay means.

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Reply #54 on: May 05, 2015, 11:33:15 pm
So is it against the rules to tow your truck to get to places faster?

Seems like everybody is doing it and nobody's punishing them.

I'd personally deal with that as an abuse of the script as thats clearly not what it is designed to be used for.

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Reply #55 on: May 06, 2015, 11:02:20 am
Entering a different vehicle will lead to you now losing your cargo.



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Reply #56 on: May 06, 2015, 06:03:16 pm
Entering a different vehicle will lead to you now losing your cargo.

Only if it is a cargo vehicle, if I'm not mistaken.



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Reply #57 on: May 06, 2015, 06:07:41 pm
Only if it is a cargo vehicle, if I'm not mistaken.

Devin is saying that it has been changed. Entering any other vehicle other than your truck whilst carrying cargo, and it'll be lost.

Or at least that's what I understood from his post.



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Reply #58 on: May 06, 2015, 06:12:17 pm
Devin is saying that it has been changed. Entering any other vehicle other than your truck whilst carrying cargo, and it'll be lost.

Or at least that's what I understood from his post.
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Reply #59 on: May 07, 2015, 12:16:40 am
Funny, if someone tows something, why should it be scriptabuse directly? What if it's properly roleplayed they want to steal a police car? No, but usually whenever the stuff does not benefit the cops, it's called scriptabuse and gets told off with a ban. Where did we even go to.........

Why not let SAPD deal with it rather than admins?



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