Character Development / Roleplay in General

[Stivi]

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[Tiny]

I doub't there's anyone trying to make Argonath a RL RP server.

Open your mind, Argonath does not mean Mafia A roleplays 5 minutes and kills Mafia B and that's fine because it's 'light rp' - this is not what the freedom of Argonath has to offer. All the changes happening are within the vision Argoanth.

Now, Argonath player who's still not satisfied and wants people to take changes out of their arse and place them into the community in a day, what exactly don't you like? Not being abused by a newbie who decided to go on cop duty and DM every orange dot without that being a rulebreak, or the group variety and lots of roleplay opportunities that have started to grow in the server?

Slap yourself several times until you can see that you either contribute to improve the server or you just get lost because your negative-ness is only bothering people who want to see changes to the good.

[Khm]

It is indeed funny that the guys who were against changes and putting Argonath back in to the right track and improve it in everything are now trying to make it better while the other old supporters are against that, if it wasn't for the sake of fasting I'd eat pop corn in front of my screen for real..
Back on topic:
If people want to get Argonath (SA:MP), like Teddy said we don't have to make it RL RP but if we change the formula of how players think about Argonath and SA:MP servers generally it will obviously help.
If people noticed or no, most of the players who join the server these days are coming IG to shoot cops or just do random robberies to get orange blips, incase no one noticed when I read the name of the server as a kid who was thrown by his parents to put all the negative energies on a game, I'd read it as "Argonath, the server who has RPG to kill people with it but just once I come in game I see cops on duty and other people complaining about me and doing weird stuff in a purple chat. In my opinion, the server should be renamed "Argonath Role-Play-Games server" with a legit explanation of what it means somewhere once I register in the server.

With that said, there should be a team of players assited with staff team to help these players what's the goal of the server, main server rules with professional explanation for them. I remember we had one (ACA and its divisions) and made real amazing results but everyone shit on them for trying to be somehow in the admin team and therefore the initiative got killed..

Forcing roleplay was always a problem in Argonath, people still can't get what it really means and enforcing that rule in situations which are obviously have nothing to do with the scene but its creativity. If you really want people to get away from this confusion you have to somehow make them follow the steps of TonySforza to become one of the most creative role-players ever and here we create a new generation of what most of players/veterans want which is quality role-play.
We haven't made Argonath hardcore RP server yet with what I wrote I assume there..

Staff side: In my opinion they should participate in 2 things, scripts and actually helping players. One of them has already been in the right track so there is no need to mention about it out but, the staff team lacks a lot of knowledge about how to deal with players psychologically, the new and even old staff members have always had problems in discussing with players. I can tell that everyone agrees here that most of them gets super angry when someone insult them or their family which punishments get forced so heavily and kills the players because of one small miss-understanding like the property being automatically sold for example (I'm not trying to shoot on anyone, I am just saying things with common sense and my knowledge about it). Therefore, I think the whole staff team needs lessons about how to deal with other players by professional people who were praised by players before where they were also in staff team back then to give them tips or even few lessons. Since they're volunteering to put their hearts in the server and make a good environment for the server they shouldn't find any problem in that and personally if anyone does, he should be out within seconds of saying that.

I hope I was really on topic and no one gets offended but all of these were suggested before and were ignored and most of people shit on it so I thought it's time to mention all of that again.. Some might know me a trouble maker before but I actually am not, I've had my ups and downs with staff and all of them were solved so please if you're going to shit on this you better keep it for yourself and actually participate in making the community of its own improve so people don't get more annoyed about this topic, already.

Yours truly,
Khm

[Devin]

But I can't be arsed to take shit when I'm only trying to make a change out of something that has been rock bottom.

Fuck 'em.

[Antonio.]

I don't know what's worse, people shitting on each other because they don't agree with one another or a guy named iKhmTheCow who's asking people to be more serious and pointing out what's the problem...

[TheGreasyChopper]

 Que's been providing this level of Roleplay for years, finally those who refused to adapt and allow him to do it are gone. Just give the guy a chance, it's not that hard. Many of us have been trying to do it. Many factions came and went.

 Yes, he may have flaws but...Ain't that the point? We are a community for a reason. Que's taken a step forward and telling us to follow, naturally people will dislike him being a "leader" figure in this "New Era". But if you don't like that, get yourself on his level and "lead" alongside him.

PS: Que, get Sean back active...I miss the Conecta.

[Teddy]

a guy named iKhmTheCow who's asking people to be more serious

I actually gained a bit of respect for you with this post. Not just this part but pointing out the obvious nature of this topic. Good intentions clouded with negativity.

[Hamza_Khan]

When you start doing something good someone always try to prevent you from doing that, becomes a headache for you, it isn't like you should give up on that you are only proving that he is correct, prove him wrong by your work not by words.
You should build yourself strong enough to face the critics not giving up on a project if you face them, and I think you are doing a great job to revive the community again, and it can only be happen if everyone decides to do that any individual can't change things alone, it needs whole community to do that, and whole community is with you except some exemplars.

[Que]

I'm not going to give up, I just going to be ruthless to those who's trying to prevent the good from happening.
Lots of love for the support though.

Fuck 'em.

Will do, plus a little bit extra.

Que's been providing this level of Roleplay for years, finally those who refused to adapt and allow him to do it are gone. Just give the guy a chance, it's not that hard. Many of us have been trying to do it. Many factions came and went.

 Yes, he may have flaws but...Ain't that the point? We are a community for a reason. Que's taken a step forward and telling us to follow, naturally people will dislike him being a "leader" figure in this "New Era". But if you don't like that, get yourself on his level and "lead" alongside him.

This. Them first lines pretty much pointed out why I've been away for a long time.

[TiMoN]

What Que said in his topic was something an admin explained to a few people I was roleplaying with a few months ago (Back when I wasn't banned anyway), his main focus was the "losing" part. Que isn't trying to turn this server into an RL-RP server, he's giving you advice to make your characters(notice the S) more funner and less robotic. He also explained something most of people who played weren't aware of.

[Gandalf]

While character development can be interesting, it should never be a target by itself.
Remember the name above your head is how others can recognize you, not who you are in game.
Instead of constantly being stuck in the same character and developing a history, you may also choose to simple change and reinvent yourself regularly.
Take a new skin (clothes) and act according to how you look. If for some reason you die or find it no longer fun, change again.
This way you will not get stuck in trying to reach a top that is only for a few, or get bored of always doing the same old things.

And ye,s developing a character and trying to make it grow does have its interesting things.
Just remember that you are not your character, and can change to someone else any time you feel like it.

For the rest: great initiative.

[Que]

While character development can be interesting, it should never be a target by itself.
Remember the name above your head is how others can recognize you, not who you are in game.
Instead of constantly being stuck in the same character and developing a history, you may also choose to simple change and reinvent yourself regularly.
Take a new skin (clothes) and act according to how you look. If for some reason you die or find it no longer fun, change again.
This way you will not get stuck in trying to reach a top that is only for a few, or get bored of always doing the same old things.

And ye,s developing a character and trying to make it grow does have its interesting things.
Just remember that you are not your character, and can change to someone else any time you feel like it.

For the rest: great initiative.

Thanks for your input, Gandalf.

[Haythem]

I could swear guys like Que are pushing me to come back to Argonath and roleplay again, literally.

[Danny Soulson]

I could swear guys like Que are pushing me to come back to Argonath and roleplay again, literally.

COME BAaaaack !!!     

[Cofiliano]

Que is a brother who came back to tried pushing things  a little, the way it always should've been. But he's only one guy, and a human, who has a lot of things to do in life, except sitting here baby seating people how to roleplay.

I honestly dislike the all 'yes que, we love you que, we come back now que' on this topic, that's all nice guys, but you're not doing him nor the server a favor really, cause with such approach, as soon as Que goes inactive, things gonna fall down like a castle made of cards.

Now is the time for you to STEP UP, for YOU to take the initiative, for you to start a gang, crime organization, what ever and teach new players how to roleplay.

Cause joining Que's gang, and enjoying the fun (while it lasts, then back to previous mode) that him and the boys like Solis, Rusty, Jingle are making isn't what you should be doing, and is rather selfish.

Do your own thing.