This is the problem.

[Stof.]

So today I engaged in some Roleplay with what I thought would be a little bit of fun, within about 40 seconds of the roleplay this player just repeats "okay set me as club friend so i can ride bikes" I'm not going to name names but I'm using it as an example of the non RP and metagaming going on to better their out of RP characters (through /groups and assets etc).

This particular player has been playing for a while, and should know how to Roleplay and what the concept of it is by now. Even if he didn't I would've been happy to help him learn the basics and more, I thought I'd ask him if he knew how to roleplay in case he was new, which is completely understandable.

[18:09:35] PM to ******(11): Do you know how to roleplay? 
[18:09:48] PM from ****** (11): YEs but not now
[18:10:18] PM to***** (11): Bad luck, it's a RP server. Roleplay or **** off, seriously.
[18:10:26] ******(11) says: Ok bye
(not saying piss off from the server, piss off from the roleplay)

This type of anti social gaming is what I hate on this server the most and always have! Going up to people on the street and initiating conversation or a robbery or anything! Then being greeted with a /em soz no time to RP, /em busy. The server is named Argonath RPG, a ROLE PLAYING GAME. Sitting in /p talking shit is not the point of the game unless I've been misled.

Don't get me wrong, I'm loving all the new stuff being introduced and all the new take's on Roleplay we're developing towards and am thankful for everything being done. I just think it's time we start giving some more initiative to roleplay with one another. Maybe a 3 strike process as this gives players 3 warnings for anti social and anti RP behaviour (from being reported, of course). And on the 3rd Strike you lose an asset of yours or whatever!

I wouldn't be writing this if it wasn't a big issue, most of the time I'm in game it seems most are not interacting with each other unless in /p and that makes me feel pretty bored and I'm sure many others too! As I've found, it's not much fun to RP with yourself.

I'm done with my ranting. Comment your take on this issue and any solutions, this is my opinion and I'd be interested in hearing the rest of the communities opinions/criticims.

Thanks, Stof.

[Cyril]

Give me his name in PM, thanks.

[Mr. Goobii]

Report them for avoiding RP if you see people do it again. 

[CharlieKasper]

Kick for avoiding roleplay and 'no time for roleplay!

[Gandalf]

No we will not start warning or kicking people just because someone who is pissed off reports them.
If an admin is witness to the behaviour he can take measures, otherwise it will need a log check, and being an antisocial prick is not bannable, there for the expectations of a log check on it happening are pretty low.

If you are approaching a player you know has been on server for some time, the question 'do you know how to roleplay'or any remarks in that direction are provoking, and will ALWAYS cause a negative atmosphere. Compare it to you arriving at your job and a colleague asking you if you know how to do your job. I bet you will be pissed off at him for the rest of the day.

Just engage the guy in roleplay, and if he bails out let him go. Enough other people to worry about one guy who does not get the idea of why he logged in.

[Cofiliano]

I dont understand one thing,  and its not releated to Stof's topic;

So many people are bitching about how no one is roleplaying, like, lets say at least 40 people from my personal experience has said that last 30-40 days, one would have thought those people that complain about it so much, would have to ran to each other at least 4-5 times per day right?
And if you ran into people who wants to roleplay and have at least the basic knowledge in it, then you wouldn't be complaining about how no one is roleplay right?

So its either people are being attention whores, or they only want to roleplay with people who has the same style/understanding/knowledge/level/callitwhateverthefuckuwant in roleplay, hence why they complain how very few are roleplayers.

Point is, don't walk away from a person just because his english is low, or his roleplaying skills isn't smooth and up to your almighty roleplay standards, don't stick only to people who you know are ultimate roleplayers, don't judge people just cause they are doing it wrong in your opinion, yet try teaching them, it wont take more then five minutes of your time anyway.

[Bundy]

Either roleplay or /q. I thought you said something along those lines a while back, Gandalf?

[Stof.]

No we will not start warning or kicking people just because someone who is pissed off reports them.
If an admin is witness to the behaviour he can take measures, otherwise it will need a log check, and being an antisocial prick is not bannable, there for the expectations of a log check on it happening are pretty low.

If you are approaching a player you know has been on server for some time, the question 'do you know how to roleplay'or any remarks in that direction are provoking, and will ALWAYS cause a negative atmosphere. Compare it to you arriving at your job and a colleague asking you if you know how to do your job. I bet you will be pissed off at him for the rest of the day.

Just engage the guy in roleplay, and if he bails out let him go. Enough other people to worry about one guy who does not get the idea of why he logged in.

Fair enough, a lot of work would go into punishment measures and I'm with you in not implementing them simply because we should all know to interact with one another and not try to dodge around roleplaying with someone. Hence making this topic, I'm exposing the behaviour so others don't repeat it and find roleplay solutions to 90% of what you do in game, it's not hard but it can only be taught, and veterans should be teaching people this cause if we all reject the anti social gaming it will hopefully turn into roleplay.

 I was not provoking and if it comes off like that I apologize and I am using the chatlog as only an example. I do know this player though do not know his status, if he was new to the server or anything. I've never really had an IG encounter with him before, I was in RP with him after a long PM chat about him wanting to be /groups rank Club Friend and me responding saying we need to be actual friends in Roleplay, come hang out with us a little bit etc. and after a little bit trying to roleplay with him i realized he was just saying "ok can i be /groups rank" I thought maybe he couldn't Roleplay yet which is why I asked, or was maybe still in the newbie stages in which I still would have continued to Roleplay I have absolutely no problem with that. I was angry I agree but still, tried to roleplay with him and gave him an option to roleplay or leave basically because i could only get one response out haha.

Though I am having some of the best roleplay so far since I've been back so I'm thankful, but also a fair amount of this attitude.

I dont understand one thing,  and its not releated to Stof's topic;

So many people are bad girling about how no one is roleplaying, like, lets say at least 40 people from my personal experience has said that last 30-40 days, one would have thought those people that complain about it so much, would have to ran to each other at least 4-5 times per day right?
And if you ran into people who wants to roleplay and have at least the basic knowledge in it, then you wouldn't be complaining about how no one is roleplay right?

So its either people are being attention whores, or they only want to roleplay with people who has the same style/understanding/knowledge/level/callitwhateverthefuckuwant in roleplay, hence why they complain how very few are roleplayers.

Point is, don't walk away from a person just because his english is low, or his roleplaying skills isn't smooth and up to your almighty roleplay standards, don't stick only to people who you know are ultimate roleplayers, don't judge people just cause they are doing it wrong in your opinion, yet try teaching them, it wont take more then five minutes of your time anyway.

Yes, I'm talking also about in my timezone. Like if there's under 15 people on the server, it doesn't mean it has to be boring and just truck and grow drugs etc.

 I'm basically exposing this behavior and encouraging veterans on the server to not fall into these habits online and let people know when they're being anti social or whatever and promote roleplaying. Things can only change if you put some effort in. Especially if you're a new player or roleplaying skills aren't up to whatever bullshit standards there are I'm happy and hope everyone else on the server is happy to show them the ropes and answer what ever questions they have. 

[Devin]

Thought I would drop this in here;

8. Roleplaying
All players are required to roleplay at all times and are expected to roleplay within the boundaries of these rules.  This means player's cannot refuse to roleplay or behave in a manner that is clearly an attempt to ruin the situation that is currently on-going.  Failing to respond to /me and /em actions will be taken as refusal to roleplay.

If you wish to get out of the roleplay situation you are in then you must do so within roleplay boundaries, you cannot quit the game or simply run off or even have a staff member teleport you.  Those that do will simply be punished.

A portion of the recent adjustment of rules agreed upon by the SA:MP HQ team.

[Gandalf]

Thought I would drop this in here;

A portion of the recent adjustment of rules agreed upon by the SA:MP HQ team.

Not a really possible stance.
- We can not decide if people need to quit or not (real life has prevalence over roleplay),
- We should allow for people to refuse being taken in to the same scenario on every step they take (for instance robbing, traffic controls).

We must encourage people to roleplay at all times, and if people are clearly not present to roleplay we can take measures. However it is impossible to oblige people to roleplay in every situation.
Please keep any changes to rules enforceable.

[Devin]

Common sense does apply. They should not refuse roleplay however if they do need to leave they're welcome to leave the server.

No one is forced to stay in-game.

Of course, people shouldn't be forced to accept the same situations over and over like as you said "robbing" and so on. There are always ways in which you can turn a roleplay scenario around and that should not be forgotten.

[Gandalf]

Common sense does apply. They should not refuse roleplay however if they do need to leave they're welcome to leave the server.

No one is forced to stay in-game.

Of course, people shouldn't be forced to accept the same situations over and over like as you said "robbing" and so on. There are always ways in which you can turn a roleplay scenario around and that should not be forgotten.

That is the ground for the long lasting 'forced roleplay'discussion. We have had cases where players felt they could not eat dinner or go to the shop as their parents asked because they were afraid they might be banned or lose membership of their group.
Common sense is not always common when you are involved with young adults 

[Devin]

With that said, if someone does need to leave in the middle of a situation where they are involved with other players, they can at least let those other parties know that they have to go offline for some reason and leave instead of just closing the game mid roleplay.

[Gandalf]

With that said, if someone does need to leave in the middle of a situation where they are involved with other players, they can at least let those other parties know that they have to go offline for some reason and leave instead of just closing the game mid roleplay.

don't know if I have the chat logs of 2007/2008, but they did and were more or less bullied in to remaining in game.
As you know every line of rules is looked at to exploit and used to advantage. The quote that you showed can be used for players to force others in to remianing in a situation they wish to get out of.
Apart from tht without the ability for admins to check the logs a lot of it will not be enforceable unless you feel the managers have not enough work to do.

Main guidline for rules : KISS (Keep it simple, stupid).

[[Rstar]Peter]

This is not the main case Gandalf, if they have to do something IRL or whatever regarding that, it should be fine for them to /q or go AFK(as we have some tools which shows someone's AFK or not). BUT people refuse to RP (mainly robbery and traffic stops scenarios) because they wanna go trucking 24/7 and earn virtual money which is not logical, money shouldn't be the purpose of their gameplay but a simple tool to make their gameplay abit easier. Mostly they use "/em(or /pm) I don't wanna RP with you" "/em(or /pm) I don't have time to RP with you IM TRUCKING! can't you see that?"
Indeed, people shouldn't be forced to accept the same situations over and over as they may get tired of it which is completely logical.