This is the problem.

[Gandalf]

EDIT:
At Gandalf's post:
I know you usually like to say that only /me is needed for roleplay, however:
That's something that won't simply work anymore in SA-MP. Maybe it worked back in 2006-2010 or something, but times change, people change and technology advances.
Sometime back then many things weren't possible like they are now, we need to keep going to the future instead of sticking back to old times.
Why would you roleplay for example smoking when you can have an actual object of cigarette in your hand with proper animation for it? no reason to.
Same goes for rest of situations that can be scripted... there's no point to imagine something if it's possible to have it visually made.
So yes, if server is properly scripted so it doesn't get you bored within 3 minutes of joining it, it can be successful.

It is very unfortunate that people feel this way, as it kills creativity. For instance in the ancient times one would not need to script a fire mission. Instead a person that crashed their car might just call 911 and try to get police, fire department and medical teams present to get them out.
Currently this is expected to be a scripted mission and people will even not do the mission unless there is money awarded.
The problem with this is that you can never script to the same level as your imagination can reach, as well as that you are stuck with the imagination of the scripters instead of your own.
If all you are able to do is follow a set of instructions you are a robot, not a human being.

[Gandalf]

Newbies who join to roleplay, will stay and roleplay with no issue regarding the SAPD system. Now if you think that the playerbase is so important that you'd rather give the newbies who want to DM an easy way to do it without rulebreaking, by being on cop duty, then suggest the orange dot hunting to be returned.

The playerbase has been indeed decreased, but it's fortunate that the people who're not willing to roleplay are missing. Go back to RS4, 150 players, DM fest in every corner because there was a tiny amount of people roleplaying.

I don't find a reason to complain about RS5, the script, the scripters or so. You're on a roleplay server and the main tool you got to succeed is creativity and basic English. Extra scripts and features are of course appreciated and bring some more interesting ways to have fun, but don't rely on them so much. Interaction between players is more important.

Stop finding reasons to complain and be glad you're given the basic things you need to be able to roleplay in this wonderful community.

I only partially agree with you. Sure a DM fest should be prohibited, but a server with 35 players is much easier to control as one with 150 players, regardless of what they are doing. Also we need new players to stay always.

[Tiny]

Also we need new players to stay always.

Of course we do, but I rather see 1 player staying and willing to roleplay, than 50 who will be here only to mess with others and ruin their gameplay.

[Reckless]

While you are all busy arguing New Horizons will be flying by Pluto in two hours!

[Stivi]

Also we need new players to stay always.

Good luck doing that with only /me. If there's no scripts, do you expect any player to stay ? I stood around until I found people I want to hang out with, because of the taxi system and the possibility to abuse people with it

[Johan_S]

Ive heard about legendary roleplays of R*, TeaM, WS, TCL, Gvardia, Corleone, 58th, i9, SAPD, FBI, Swat and all other factions that made the history of this community. But you must know better than me that nowadays there are hundred of other options. What is left in SA:MP on a serious way are kids of ten years ago which today they are almost EDIT 21-30 YO and the kids of today that have other mindset. So Veterans, when join to kill time in SA:MP they do it for the sake of nostalgia but the new players need emotions and motivations. SA:MP it self is getting old but we must push forward with the new features (Is what Teddy and his crew are doing)

We have enough creativity dear Gandalf but without proper drug script we can't motivate the criminal factions and without criminal factions doing what they are supposed to do will affect in the whole cycle betwen factions to bring creativity and criminal roleplay is kinda limited so there's one big entity down. Without entity of criminals the cops won't do nothing more just few random trafic stops, or can answer 911 calls from firemans or paramedics (those last ones i can count only with fingers of right hand, 4 are firemans in our server and one 1 medic this medic is Conky) What i mean is that there won't be space for creativity if we suffer limitations. 

Im really sorry for the old guys which deviated from your projects of RS5 i hope with my heart and soul that we recover. I cannot imagine if your projects and systems were now alive where we could be, but the most important thing which i would like to say is: The reason why we are left in this hmm lets call it /MISERY/ comes due to miscommunication with each other and stupid conflicts occured around between the ones who were in charge to finish their duty.

Now the HQ along with Scripting team are more united then ever, try to pay more attention to them since afaik are the only ones left to handle this Community.

We can't go forward if we aren't united. Happy Birthday to Aragorn.

[.Matthew.]

At Tiny:
Never said SAPD should be re-opened, just said that jobs such as Firemen, Medics, Mechanics and similar should be improved to give more action.
So new players have something to do instead of being bored and leaving, never to come back. Because previously, SAPD was the only job that gave the constant action.

At Gandalf:
Yeah, it's sad and I would roleplay it without scripts, but I can't force other people to come and roleplay with me... because they don't need to.
So either I roleplay by myself or I just don't roleplay it... and it's gonna be the second option.
People would only do it if they get rewards and stuff, they mostly work for gains.



^^ that's how to get people to a specific roleplay scene, by throwing them rewards

[Reckless]

What is left in SA:MP on a serious way are kids of ten years ago which today they are almost 28-30 YO and the kids of today that have other mindset.

I've been playing here for a long time now and just recently turned 21.

[Johan_S]

I've been playing here for a long time now and just recently turned 21.

Me too, but differently from you i'm everyday in our server. Sorry can't remember your last time online, not only you, but your whole clan.

[Benn]

It may not apply to you, or to me, but there are numerous examples where roleplay is destroyed before it can actually happen.

There should be no (or minimal) admin involvement in roleplay, nor should explicit trolling and non-rp behavior be allowed. Veterans should indeed be teaching newcomers, but we have to accept that some newcomers cannot or will not learn, those can be dealt with by admins.

This is what I want!

The new scripts are great but without great leadership with great leaders skills we will never go back to how we were, and sadly what kept me playing this server is how we were and if you are planning on changing that and turn all players into greedy monster who enjoy power I would consider leaving right away, for an example last time a new player who kept banevading asked a question how to return to game on forums asked if it was a bug? around 20 players responding trolling...
The vision is what made Argonath like this, this is a fact not an opinion you can try to circle around it and prove it wrong but you have no chances at doing that and if you are planning on removing the vision which discusses moral attitudes then the name Argonath will die
To be clear I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST Changing the Vision I just don't want it to be fully changes or removed.
About SAPD, I wish the group will open again and great leadership charactors will appear to teach new cops how to act and if you find people who abuse their powers an action should be taken on them, sadly /copban is no longer a used command, back in the old days /copban was used weekly on people.

[Stof.]

Those who are trolling in-game don't even bother posting a long sentence here, sadly it's the 'veterans' who do it.

Because the trolls simply do not give a shit, us veterans are taking out playing time or any time to write these comments and topics because we want a change and to shine light on the server we have loved since day 1.

It is very unfortunate that people feel this way, as it kills creativity. For instance in the ancient times one would not need to script a fire mission. Instead a person that crashed their car might just call 911 and try to get police, fire department and medical teams present to get them out.
Currently this is expected to be a scripted mission and people will even not do the mission unless there is money awarded.
The problem with this is that you can never script to the same level as your imagination can reach, as well as that you are stuck with the imagination of the scripters instead of your own.
If all you are able to do is follow a set of instructions you are a robot, not a human being.

In the ancient times, there were still demand and calls to make the roleplay a lot more strict for the some of the same reasons. Perhaps you remember a player "[Rstar]Carhartt" who was a high ranked admin and suggested changes because people didn't know what roleplay was or how to do it as there weren't any rules or guidelines in roleplaying and were encouraged to "use your imagination". Creativity will forever play the biggest part in roleplay, however adding some rules and guidelines even as Matthew. has said with the changes to scripted jobs, it couldn't hurt the server, if anything it will grow the roleplay and bring the community more together rather than lone trucking or growing weed. Carhartt got knocked back every time and in result, started advertising LS:RP and got banned. He probably did not go about it in the best way but it's a similar scenario and showed that the originality of the server can lose us veterans as well as new players. And this was in 2009.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong with anything in the Carhartt saga, It's been a while.)

If you had no clue what roleplay is and joined Argonath RPG, there are no guidelines in game or describing what roleplay is, no rules on roleplay properly set in place what would you do? It's the sole purpose of playing on the server, to roleplay yet hardly any light shines on RolePlaying or how it's done using cmd's etc in game.

[Hamza_Khan]

If that is how you do it you need to quit.

Nop, its you who is doing it wrong, you shouldn't treat someone who is leading the community from long time from  whilst you are away, As far as I know Devin,Teddy,Rusty and some other HQ members keeping the SA:MP community alive even in the hard circumstances when both of the owners are away and God knows where are they, when community needed them the most they disappeared, then at that time these are the guys who strives, instead of jumping from the sinking ship with their life boats.

As far as roleplay thing concerned, no one can't change a shit unless people want too, I'm seeing here the individuals who have been talking here and writing some long paragraphs but we see them in game very rarely, So get in game start roleplay by yourself whether it is small ones or big ones, the thing is that are we doing that?.

[Jack Rosso]

If that is how you do it you need to quit.

I think you need to change your forum rank to ''Argonath Sugar Daddy'' instead of owner, it would fit your current role better.
But ofcourse also make sure you've got your SA:MP up to date when you try to join the server again, you probably still have SA-MP 0.1a.

[Conk]

also make sure you've got your SA:MP up to date when you try to join the server again, you probably still have SA-MP 0.1a.

Shots fired 

 

[Ehks]

A fact: A solid, unique and interesting script is what a server needs to attract the player.... What keeps him on board? The atmosphere and mind-set of other players. If anyone here claims that scripts are just "an extra" and are not essential..... Big pile of horse shit.

Regarding SAPD:
I salute those who closed SAPD and restricted it to who are truly interested in a legal life and would like to have such a role as an occupation for their character. Why? Easy.... Separates troll-criminals - Dm'ers - Constant /SU users from going on duty. Not to mention that such a role is now taken more serious considering the fact you actually have work hard to earn the badge. Thus you won't waste it away easily ( unless you choose to be corrupted ).

To the current cops, huge respect for your new regulations and the roleplay scenarios you offer upon bumping into us. Keep it up!
Regarding the scripts:
In my opinion, "script wise", Argonath is taking the right path.... What makes me say so? I'm enjoying the server more, and I've spotted at least 6-7 veterans who came back... If not more.

Big thank you for the effort and time you're putting into enhancing the server's scripts.
Concerning Roleplay:
Since everyone here is typing that they'd rather be on the server to roll with actual "roleplayers" and not bystanders ... Then yes I believe we should be strict on those who refuse to roleplay... I don't give a shit if you do not wish to be robbed in this particular minute you're forced to go through it. When a player logs into an RP/RPG server it means he already accepted the following terms and conditions:

• Must Role play with others and accept their roleplays regardless the event / scenario and outcome as long as it does not conflict with the heavy rules ( DM / Hack etc... )

Suggestions:

• Remove /area ..... I mean seriously... how the hell is /area beneficial in a roleplay server. Oh wait I found it! It kills the roleplay and exposes your location in a split second! Fuck yeah!
• Since not a lot will adapt to "No Blips" right away.... Turn all blips to white... Regardless of your job and status (admin / cop... / criminal..)
  I heard this will be implemented though no? If so then hallelujah.
• Support OOC/IC and MG/PG ...... BIG start for proper roleplay. How? I can now blow a cop's cover if he was infiltrating a mafia just because I heard so on skype and I won't even be punished for it.

There's shit load of other suggestions but let me see your opinions on the above since I highly doubt I'll get a thumbs up for it lmao.

Little things make a big difference:

• #FreeSprayCan - Re-instate it in the server and as one mentioned make it harmless.
• Restore usable Items - Cigarettes / Briefcase
• #FreeDice - This is beneficial to everyone.. How ? Hear me out:
  As a gangster : we'd love to roll the dice in the alleyway or in our neighborhood to win a few Benjamins or items stolen from houses we robbed earlier.
  
  Others: Illegal underground casinos
  
  Bonus:Remember the S/F you spit after you attempt to make a move against someone? This is the answer! roll the damn dice and if the victim has a higher number your attempt is a fail and vice versa.....

Got more I want to talk about but I don't have enough time, peace.