This is the problem.

[Cofiliano]

In the ancient times, there were still demand and calls to make the roleplay a lot more strict for the some of the same reasons. Perhaps you remember a player "[Rstar]Carhartt" who was a high ranked admin and suggested changes because people didn't know what roleplay was or how to do it as there weren't any rules or guidelines in roleplaying and were encouraged to "use your imagination". Creativity will forever play the biggest part in roleplay, however adding some rules and guidelines even as Matthew. has said with the changes to scripted jobs, it couldn't hurt the server, if anything it will grow the roleplay and bring the community more together rather than lone trucking or growing weed. Carhartt got knocked back every time and in result, started advertising LS:RP and got banned. He probably did not go about it in the best way but it's a similar scenario and showed that the originality of the server can lose us veterans as well as new players. And this was in 2009.

That's about it.

I don't understand what's the whole drama about?

New players will stick around, if you can offer them better things to do then on other servers. If you only give them trucking, while saying that "Weed is not suppose to earn you money, yet be used as exchange value for money" , then mates don't blame it on the players, and specially don't blame the veterans.

Most of the visionary veterans were forced out, pushed away, and morons were placed in positions to call the shots. I'm not saying that was the offical policy of the management, but that was the consequences of everything.

I still remember how Pablo Santos after developing one of the biggest and most original gangs in Argo history, placed in San Fierro, (which is 3 times harded to do then in LS), begged CBFasi for 2-3 years, to simply put 4-5 doors at few buildings in Garcia so they can have some houses(There's only 1 house in the whole area of Garcia, where their gang was located), and he was constantly rejecting him even when Diablos became offical group, giving him crappy reasons such as "object limit has been reached" "maybe in one month", yet he was building a 10km highway, and a big ass prison called Mordor, not to mention a whole bloody island with airport and 3000 more custom objects. And for what? For his own enjoyment really and creativity desires, cause no one bloody used neither Mordor neither the NAP island( Yeah I know now 2-3 of you guys who thinks I'm hatting on holy CBF is gonna come here and tell me how you roleplayed everyday at Mordor and shit, while w all know that's bs.)

Its things like this, that made legendary leaders, and visionary veterans leave, people who were teaching and teaching an armies of new players and developing them into a fantastic roleplayers, keeping the server popularity up, and server activity up. Those new players DID stick on the server, despite the fact their group was treated like unworthy of the all mighty scripter team. Half of those new players are admins nowdays, yet what use do we have from NAP? None.

And where's Pablo today? Gone long ago to a place where his work and dedication will be supported, and not crush down for no logical reasons.

And this is just one out of 10 examples in Argonath history. So are we ready to learn something from our history and not make the same mistakes all over again ?

What's the path you guys wanna take?

[Khm]

Just for your info Corey, paruni has /area.

[Ehks]

Just for your info Corey, paruni has /area.

Who mentioned Paruni    .... Hahahaha
My case remains anyway.

[Gandalf]

Ive heard about legendary roleplays of R*, TeaM, WS, TCL, Gvardia, Corleone, 58th, i9, SAPD, FBI, Swat and all other factions that made the history of this community. But you must know better than me that nowadays there are hundred of other options. What is left in SA:MP on a serious way are kids of ten years ago which today they are almost EDIT 21-30 YO and the kids of today that have other mindset. So Veterans, when join to kill time in SA:MP they do it for the sake of nostalgia but the new players need emotions and motivations. SA:MP it self is getting old but we must push forward with the new features (Is what Teddy and his crew are doing)

We have enough creativity dear Gandalf but without proper drug script we can't motivate the criminal factions and without criminal factions doing what they are supposed to do will affect in the whole cycle betwen factions to bring creativity and criminal roleplay is kinda limited so there's one big entity down. Without entity of criminals the cops won't do nothing more just few random trafic stops, or can answer 911 calls from firemans or paramedics (those last ones i can count only with fingers of right hand, 4 are firemans in our server and one 1 medic this medic is Conky) What i mean is that there won't be space for creativity if we suffer limitations. 

Im really sorry for the old guys which deviated from your projects of RS5 i hope with my heart and soul that we recover. I cannot imagine if your projects and systems were now alive where we could be, but the most important thing which i would like to say is: The reason why we are left in this hmm lets call it /MISERY/ comes due to miscommunication with each other and stupid conflicts occured around between the ones who were in charge to finish their duty.

Now the HQ along with Scripting team are more united then ever, try to pay more attention to them since afaik are the only ones left to handle this Community.

We can't go forward if we aren't united. Happy Birthday to Aragorn.

You are contradicting yourself here. First you say have creativity then go on a rant about which scripts you feel are missing or lacking.
Perhaps understand that intitially not even money existed as a property, and still people played and bought stuff from each other, it really was based on nothing else but /me with some shooting.
People are unwilling to exchange money unless it is based on a script, where as it is perfectly possible to sell and buy drugs just based on imagination, without actually a property being handed over.
Before SA:MP restaurants were exploited where people cam to eat without food even existing, currently a food shop is only visited for a quick health update without any roleplay. That is lack of cretivity and imagination.

I took the step to let some of the old team go even when it caused some pain for both me and them, but I prefer to have an active leadership and scipting team to move things forward. so far it has shown results, and I hope the changes they are currently implementing will also bring things forward.
Remember that I am not leading the server, nor am I the one who is determining all policies. I am way too inactive to be able to handle those. The current leadership has the burden of doing those things and doing what they feel is best to let things grow. I may not agree with everything they do, just as they might not always agree between each other. But as long as I believe they are having the best interest of the server at heart and are active I will allow them to follow their path. I might discuss in topics like this the reasoning we used in the past, and perhaps also the players will learn from this so together we improve the server.

[Gandalf]

Nop, its you who is doing it wrong, you shouldn't treat someone who is leading the community from long time from  whilst you are away, As far as I know Devin,Teddy,Rusty and some other HQ members keeping the SA:MP community alive even in the hard circumstances when both of the owners are away and God knows where are they, when community needed them the most they disappeared, then at that time these are the guys who strives, instead of jumping from the sinking ship with their life boats.

As far as roleplay thing concerned, no one can't change a shit unless people want too, I'm seeing here the individuals who have been talking here and writing some long paragraphs but we see them in game very rarely, So get in game start roleplay by yourself whether it is small ones or big ones, the thing is that are we doing that?.

Still butthurt you chose to leave Paruni?

[.Mario.]

Still butthurt you chose to leave Paruni?

Actually he's not Paruni's Hamza. 

[Johan_S]

You are contradicting yourself here. First you say have creativity then go on a rant about which scripts you feel are missing or lacking.

I hope you realise the difference of veterans(like me) which are getting used of the situation and new players which register for first time.

Still butthurt you chose to leave Paruni?

He's not TeaM_Hamza, im sorry for your synchronization with actuality and recognitions of community members. But i figured out that you are very inactive.

[Gandalf]

A fact: A solid, unique and interesting script is what a server needs to attract the player.... What keeps him on board? The atmosphere and mind-set of other players. If anyone here claims that scripts are just "an extra" and are not essential..... Big pile of horse shit.

Regarding SAPD:
I salute those who closed SAPD and restricted it to who are truly interested in a legal life and would like to have such a role as an occupation for their character. Why? Easy.... Separates troll-criminals - Dm'ers - Constant /SU users from going on duty. Not to mention that such a role is now taken more serious considering the fact you actually have work hard to earn the badge. Thus you won't waste it away easily ( unless you choose to be corrupted ).

To the current cops, huge respect for your new regulations and the roleplay scenarios you offer upon bumping into us. Keep it up!
Regarding the scripts:
In my opinion, "script wise", Argonath is taking the right path.... What makes me say so? I'm enjoying the server more, and I've spotted at least 6-7 veterans who came back... If not more.

Big thank you for the effort and time you're putting into enhancing the server's scripts.
Concerning Roleplay:
Since everyone here is typing that they'd rather be on the server to roll with actual "roleplayers" and not bystanders ... Then yes I believe we should be strict on those who refuse to roleplay... I don't give a shit if you do not wish to be robbed in this particular minute you're forced to go through it. When a player logs into an RP/RPG server it means he already accepted the following terms and conditions:

• Must Role play with others and accept their roleplays regardless the event / scenario and outcome as long as it does not conflict with the heavy rules ( DM / Hack etc... )

Suggestions:

• Remove /area ..... I mean seriously... Seriously good reasons how the hell is /area beneficial in a roleplay server. Oh wait I found it! It kills the roleplay and exposes your location in a split second! Fuck yeah!
• Since not a lot will adapt to "No Blips" right away.... Turn all blips to white... Regardless of your job and status (admin / cop... / criminal..)
  I heard this will be implemented though no? If so then hallelujah.
• Support OOC/IC and MG/PG ...... BIG start for proper roleplay. How? I can now blow a cop's cover if he was infiltrating a mafia just because I heard so on skype and I won't even be punished for it.

There's shit load of other suggestions but let me see your opinions on the above since I highly doubt I'll get a thumbs up for it lmao.

Little things make a big difference:

• #FreeSprayCan - Re-instate it in the server and as one mentioned make it harmless.
• Restore usable Items - Cigarettes / Briefcase
• #FreeDice - This is beneficial to everyone.. How ? Hear me out:
  As a gangster : we'd love to roll the dice in the alleyway or in our neighborhood to win a few Benjamins or items stolen from houses we robbed earlier.
  
  Others: Illegal underground casinos
  
  Bonus:Remember the S/F you spit after you attempt to make a move against someone? This is the answer! roll the damn dice and if the victim has a higher number your attempt is a fail and vice versa.....

Got more I want to talk about but I don't have enough time, peace.

Tranlsation: I am tired of getting banned on LS:RP please copy their server for me.

[Gandalf]

Actually he's not Paruni's Hamza. 

OOPS 

[Jack Rosso]

Tranlsation: I am tired of getting banned on LS:RP please copy their server for me.

Do NOT say that word it will get you BANNED from the server !!!!111!!!

[.Mario.]

Do NOT say that word it will get you BANNED from the server !!!!111!!!

Just like me 

[Gandalf]

I hope you realise the difference of veterans(like me) which are getting used of the situation and new players which register for first time.

I do, however should we cater to be just like all other ones or remain a difference?

[Gandalf]

Do NOT say that word it will get you BANNED from the server !!!!111!!!

I wonder how a discussion topic on LS:RP to bring more features of Argonath would end.

[.Matthew.]

As somebody said, it's also veteran players who ruin the little bits of roleplay that occur.
There was a guy on roof saying he'll jump, we're negotiating, fire department is there, and a guy on fireman duty, an old player, leader of a "family", comes and says:
"You have no balls to jump why are you threatening!!"
"Fucking prick"

And drives around with his infernus on fireman duty.
And later on, cries about the new trucking script update which removes your cargo if the truck is too damaged.

 

[Johan_S]

I invite any moderator of this section to censore all the mentions of other communities, i feel very ashamed to be compared also now i feel persecuted due to my faction members suffered permbans and punishments in game and in forums for mentioning other communities without malicious intentions.