This is the problem.

[Pizza4_Games]

People tend to get irritated by people who don't participate in seeking for a solution rather than get a high number on their posts.

To be honest, am not that kinda person who wants to have alot of posts on his account :/

[Manoni]

Then stop and let the discussion continue as its supossed to be, please. Your comments have been derailing this for a few pages now and you still can't realize that it would be better if you stop replying unless you have something to say related to the subject in the topic rather than just posting that you agree with what others are saying and/or answering people that is telling you to not answer anymore. Trying to explain you this in the most peaceful way, we are all here to share our opinions on an important matter that is concerning in the SA:MP server, you are not doing that so please, stop.

[Pizza4_Games]

Then stop and let the discussion continue as its supossed to be, please. Your comments have been derailing this for a few pages now and you still can't realize that it would be better if you stop replying unless you have something to say related to the subject in the topic rather than just posting that you agree with what others are saying and/or answering people that is telling you to not answer anymore. Trying to explain you this in the most peaceful way, we are all here to share our opinions on an important matter that is concerning in the SA:MP server, you are not doing that so please, stop.

Okay then

[Zaila]

With that said it has also led to the community growing from the stagnant state it was in after the last "team" left.

So it was all my, xcasios and Conroys fault ye?

[Bundy]

So it was all my, xcasios and Conroys fault ye?

There wouldn't be a problem if you listened to your community instead of rushing to release an unfinished script.

wb btw

[Cyril]

So it was all my, xcasios and Conroys fault ye?

Yes.

[TiMoN]

Instead of being a general idiot and going "pls i dont want to roleplay" try to reason with the attacker in a more proper way. Such when getting robbed, you could beg the thief not to steal from you as you're a poor man who tries to help his family, or you want to feed your sick child who has 3 arms.

[Pandalink]

There wouldn't be a problem if you listened to your community instead of rushing to release an unfinished script.

yea sure, roll back RS4 to the months-old backup only to release RS5 a few months later

that would have gone down really well

Yes.

lol

[Morais]

Instead of being a general idiot and going "pls i dont want to roleplay" try to reason with the attacker in a more proper way. Such when getting robbed, you could beg the thief not to steal from you as you're a poor man who tries to help his family, or you want to feed your sick child who has 3 arms.

That would work if people wouldn't carry weapons all the time and were actually afraid to die. Everyone in Argonath is superhuman no-feared beast.

There wouldn't be a problem if you listened to your community instead of rushing to release an unfinished script.

Everyone was complaining about how RS5 was taking too long so they released it. A true beta testing team and keeping away the vague promises about the date of release would've solved that.

[Zaila]

There wouldn't be a problem if you listened to your community instead of rushing to release an unfinished script.

wb btw

And you obviously either have no idea about why it was released in that state or simply forgot. As i said in the past, we wished we had more time but in that current time, it was a lose-lose situation no matter what we did. Besides, it wasn't my decision alone, it was a decision made by the scripter team at that time togheter with Gandalf.

And i'm not back.

Yes.

Obviously. =)

[Teddy]

Nobody is here to play the blame game... well at least they shouldn't be....

There should be respect for the contributions people have made to this community.

There is undoubtedly a significant increase, by at least 110%, in development activity including a balance between bug fixes, new features, and introduction of intended functionality since the last team. Whatever obstacle you guys had is not one which affect us. This is what Devin was meaning by his statement.

[Leroy_Kolta]

The problem is that leadership has promised to move to a more 'forced' roleplay and people believe that is against my wishes or the Vision. Those are the people who probably have been fed lies for a long time, as I am as much against the /soz busy and /dontwannarp messages and have actually punished people for them more than once.
My point was that while we should get rid of people too busy pharming to interact with others actually enforcing such a thing would bring a number of risks of unfair punishment as may not be able to witness it happening and are not allowed to punish based on report alone.
This seems to lead to people believing I will block things and getting butthurt already before anything is done.

Instead of offering solutions for possible unfairness they start with verbal attacks, as when you have no solution the best option is to attack and riducule the person noticing the problem.

I gotcha.

So instead of pointing fingers at everyone and criticizing every little thing and arguing with each other, can we then in turn discuss possible solutions to this?
I'm sure as a group we would be able to accomplish such a task if everyone stops trying to get their point through and focus on some facts that need facing.


Come on guys, we're better than this. While the owner is investing and looking in this topic, let's have a more positive reaction to this instead of complaining on what's been going on. Let's change things for the best here.

I know by me saying this I offer no solution at the moment, but that will change when I get more time to dedicate to this.

[Rusty]

Good read guys.
On the other side, topic was about role-playing so show of hands on who actually does that in-game?  I can see a few names that come to mind, just not everyone in the topic sadly.

If Gandalf ain't mind us listening to community wanting a better role-play environment and allowing us to go through with it after thoughtful discussion then am all for doing just that, but the player's need to adapt and step up their game not stay with the same raggity ass basic roleplay they used too. 

Back to sleep.

[DarkShadowBlade]

Wow, have just logged back onto the forums after like 4 months or such only to see this.

All I have to say is, the server stayed alive (somewhat) through RS5 only because of the friendships, and that was possible because the community is small and most people know each other. Teddy is moving the server forward by developing it, and thus the community will get larger and larger. If the development is shit, the community will be shit, and that's the reason why people started to leave more and more. Even though Gandalf is the owner, this is like the 3rd time (I think) that something really amazing is getting put down... LSPD, SFPD, and LVPD were all combined into one big department, taking away the separate roleplay each one had, then demolished freecop system so now everyone became SAPD, and now, kind of fighting the idea with the orange dots and what not.

The community is a light RP one, something I realized and others failed to... What Teddy is doing, is appropriate, the server is not copying other servers directly but instead gaining influence from others and building upon it in a unique way (This is the way the USA was built up in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century), thus the community thrives upon it and will attract more players keen to that roleplay standard. This isn't 2006 anymore, you can't keep the same vision forever and use it as an excuse to hold the server back. Argonath has a good community and it could've succeed but it failed because of the lack of development (Not HQs fault or the Scripting team) due to the vision and the common excuse we all know as: "Because Argonath."

Personally, I don't think I can ever come back to Argonath (not banned), but simply because I don't think it fits me, especially with all the arguments going on. I ignored the lies about "heavy rp servers punish you if you misspell a word" crap and went there, and I enjoy it, but I won't forget where I came from. I had a lot of fun here and won't forgot the memories and friendships I built here but honestly, the reason people leave argonath is because it feels "old," nothing was getting done, things weren't getting fixed, and thus the standard for everything dropped. In fact the only reason one would stay around is just to talk to people on /p as you drove around doing trucking. Gandalf should be proud that morons are getting weeded out from the server slowly every day as the server advances with unique and innovative things, things that won't attract them here but rather to some Cops n Robbers server. Holding the server back and using "the vision" as a reason will just lead to the server's standards going down again and the attraction of more moronic non-roleplayers coming by to DM and soak up the fun from those that are trying... You do need to develop the server if you want people to roleplay, like I said half a year ago:


All in all, keep up the good work, try not to take a vision word for word and ruin what's being built. I doubt many will remember me, but regardless, was fun to come and see the new things Argonath is getting, hope the issues get solved soon and the community will thrive so others can enjoy it like I did. Like I said before (6 months ago or so) it's time to figure out if this server is supposed to be a freeroam one or a roleplaying one:



Anyways, I know some of you will just say "Go back to *censored*" I didn't come here from another community to start shit, just to state a valid opinion along with some facts (in an effort to at least get some to understand), so yeah...

Best of Luck...

The one and only,
DSB / DarkShadowBlade

[Volcom]

And i'm not back.

If RS5 was really good you wasn't going to leave the server..