Back again. Inactivity ended.

[Vaeldious]

Long story short, as a lot of it I don't see any reason to go into it; but I am in the process of returning to Argo. Looks like I lost my mod position, no worries. Can't say I blame you. Gone for 4-6 months. Spent a lot of time on GTAV servers. Never really was any community aspect there. SA-MP seems to have changed a bit since my absence, and I'm ready to dive back in. Hope Johan and Cofiliano aren't still at eachothers throats XD.


See you glorious brothers in game soon.

[Vaeldious]

I am curious, since changes have been made, as to my preceeding position in staff. Not asking for a "grant-all", but rather, if there is to be a moderator wave in the near future to apply to, just not sure which admins to appeal this to.

[Cyril]

We consider you have failed your moderator trial by going inactive such a long time.
You are free to re-apply on the next moderator wave.

[Vaeldious]

Or rather, can you please point me in the direction to re-apply? As to which forum/topic to state intentions and expectations of duration?

[Vaeldious]

Interesting. My previous post of:

"Not here to debate semantics, especially on a public forums. Thusly, is there a wave in planning? Or simply a sit on my hands and wait for something to happen?"

seems to have disappeared from the forum. I know I have flaky internet; is this something I can chalk up to the PHP not POSTing to the page?

[Cyril]

Applications are not opened for now.

[Bruce.]

Taking this conversation in pm would be more appropriate since its not something public should know what happened or how will you try to be a moderator back.

[Vaeldious]

I appreciate your input, Bruce., and such will be taken under advisement.


My previous questions have not been answered, perhaps; only answered in the most general fashion that they CAN be, and I appreciate and respect that as well.

Still does not detract my curiousity. As its been pointed out, I've been gone for a period of time (by my estimations, 4-6months), as such, being on Moderator duty, I did not pass since it was effectively a trial period.

My simple point is history. Not that it gains me any ground greater than the fellow newcomer with the same burning passion; but rather, leads me to conclude defensiveness. In the spirit of Argonath, I toss this ideology aside and presume that everything is face value without ulterior motives.

That being said, perhaps I am at fault and should have rephrased my questioning better:

Since I have been inactive for a (what I perceive, though do not detest nor challenge) short period of time during my transitional phase between states (from Texas back home to Florida) and without confirmation of how long it would ACTUALLY take to accomplish these goals; I have come to find that decisions beyond my control (and for the "greater good") have accumulated and amassed to the point where I cannot be given a straight answer. In steadfast of these events, I suspect it is policy rather than persuasion that denounces. Perhaps the questions aren't answered because they have not been addressed, or there is no need to address. Again, perhaps; perhaps I am shadowing my own expectations of self on the administrative community. Perhaps things are happening as they are meant to.

However when I ask a direct question, I do have a certain set of expectations. These cannot be known nor much less accommodated, unless I state them; and as such, I would like to express this at this particular point in a formal and public manner. As I know from government, things that go on behind the public forum breed distrust and paranoia; and that is not what the founders meant for this little slice of paradise.

To be blatantly clear;
-) I was level 2 admin, and demoted after inactivity
-) After inactivity I applied for level 1 admin, Moderator
-) After being accepted and expected to be a low level leader, real world problems happened
-) I made my intentions known in a timely manner
-) Upon resolution (in albeit a shorter timespan than was given previously; but hey policy changes over time)
-) My ultimate goal is to improve upon this community, of which i do NOT require your permission or endorsement to attain
-) Simply put, it is EASIER to accomplish these goals with the titles that have been described to this community
-) I do not detract that life may bear more importance and I may need to take my leave suddenly but with notice
-) The curiosity is, I suppose, what transpired in the period I was gone? Things have changed, as all things do over time; however, when someone is willing to go "all in" for the community that has been built here, that resource (I believe) should not be simply discarded.
-) "Applications are not opened for now." seems to be a redundant ignorance, prefacing that my own intentions and capabilities could not have surmised this myself. This being a community worth investing in, these trespasses have simply been overlooked.
-) The First inquiry was as to WHO to appeal or attempt to resolve these issues with, for the betterment of what was built for all to enjoy.
-) Understandably, a generic answer was given; without any questions truely answered. I cannot determine if this is an ignorance, saving face, or unknown mechanism, as I've been out of the loop for several months.
-) Can you point me in the direction to re-apply? (Seems to have been answered, in a vague format, but answered none-the-less). My request is simply to appeal the decision (regardless of how valued the decision was in forethought). In the military we have structure and organization for such appeals to take process. I fully understand that this is NAUGHT a military community, especially of a singular nation. As such, it is a live breeding ground for new ideas not bound to the whims of forefathers.
-) Applications seem to not be open at this time. But as such, the advice given in this topic flows both ways, without mother superior.
-) If Applications are not currently open, as administration (as of which I have been before) I know that there are predictions (not promises) of the future. Anticipations and expectations. I grasp that it fits into the general overall "plan" with or without consideration to the userbase.
-) The UserBase is what grants us this power, and gives us this opportunity.
-) I challenge these answers not because "I think I can change what I am". Rather because I believe Argonath is a cause worth fighting to protect, despite our differing opinions. It is a matter of WE and not I.
-) Absolutely I will abide by any decisions made in the PUBLIC aspect of this community for all to see, consider, and weigh in upon.
-) Agreedly there are some things that need to be kept behind the curtain, but solely at the cost of loyalty and faith.
-) Deleting my posts or editing content demonstrates weakness of character, and as of this point I am willing to concede fault within the techno logic aspects rather than assign blame.
-) It is just a game, that we are all free (providing we've not violated the rules of the community) to come to our own conclusions and decisions as a whole.
-) This entire being of self is nothing more than a social experiment; proving proofs, subjugating truths in a manner not readily heard.

TL;DR, This should remain public. It involves the entire community; as such should be inclusive. I have provided simplistic and ample opportunity to escape responsibility as was granted.

To keep as simplistic as possible, while expecting your comprehension of what has been writ;

-) Moderation privilege was taken from me by due and just right. To which admin do I make my appeal of circumstance to?
-) Administration has logs and records as to my secondary post. I'd like to satisfy the curiosity of how such statement was redacted; was it intentional, feared, embraced, and what steps lead to that thought pattern?
-) I have presented my opinion, and what I believe to be fact with what I initially chose to endeavor with or without administrative clearance.....but rather freely offered opinion based on third party expressness.

By addendum, I would like to know; though you do not owe me nor is it required. Just asking for a do unto others moment to protect, and allow prosperity to what has been devised here.

What we could accomplish as a team defies my expectations. In such a stead, things have been drawn and coerced to decide who is right (good) and who is wrong (bad). The complication is that things are not so simple...

But I put all this effort into a game, and the forum it is glorified upon.

It is because I believe in US as a whole.

Respond when you get around to it.

[Axison]

Big words man, BIG words -_-

[Cyril]

You can not appeal HQ decision on this matter.
Your only way to become a moderator again would be to start the process all over again, i.e sending an application once we decide to open them up.
That doesn't mean we would accept you automaticly either.

[Axison]

Not trying to be an ass or interfering this matter but I'm curious about one thing(it's fine if you don't wanna answer). Are you mad because you got removed from your moderator position due to your inactivity?

[Devin]

Seeing as you want to publicly argue your removal in public boards I'll gladly oblige you in the next few hours when I am at a computer.

[Vaeldious]

In address in order of conception:

Big words man, BIG words -_-

Indeed. Exact wordings are required for precise meaning. I do understand that the community here is most likely not accustomed to accommodating such a Statement of Intent; however, I feel it unfair to not express my feelings and desires. I do have the advantage of seeing both sides of the discussion, and addressing it as well.

Yes, they are big words, but I would not readily put this effort into a community that I believed not worth my expression, regardless of the arrogance that parities that contrast.

You can not appeal HQ decision on this matter.
Your only way to become a moderator again would be to start the process all over again, i.e sending an application once we decide to open them up.
That doesn't mean we would accept you automaticly either.

Cyril, I respect you, and as such I will retain my statements and inquiries to bear the manner of a public exhibition.

It has become apparent that there is nothing in planning to enlist a new wave, nor does there seem to be any kind of administrative correlation of determining when such (as if WHEN assumedly WOULD happen) a structure would be built.

Additionally, I completely understand that I am providing detriment of self by apparent challenge. What administrative console would want their people to think the aspects that I am suggesting and bringing to light?

It's not about retaining the titles that are so abundantly clear as self endowed entitlement for most of the title bearers, but about what has been created and what flourishes despite leadership factions. THAT is the ideology I support. Regardless of when the last time Gandalf logged in.

IF my only path is through the next "moderator wave", I understand and DEMAND I be granted no special consideration. I may have seen some shit, but what I know is entombed of the past that I am currently urging us away from.  I don't want favor because I knew about Argo an participated in its early years. The youth, the newbies, the fresh players; not me, will be the one if any, to revive this particularly interesting culture.

Starting over from the beginning is not a concept I am unfamiliar with. Of course I suggest history as a consideration, as it is beneficial to all parties involved. I've started over in more serious matters over a dozen times already. I am prepared to accept this but must at least express my thought pattern in the process.

Not trying to be an ass or interfering this matter but I'm curious about one thing(it's fine if you don't wanna answer). Are you mad because you got removed from your moderator position due to your inactivity?

That is a fair question, and I suppose the answer is YES, to a minor extent. As being one of the legacy community members (c'mon now, who remembers Pancher?), there is a certain divide between  "Us" and "Them". The issue with that mentality is that it is destructive.

In perspective, loosing Moderator position is not worrisome to me. When I lost Admin status, that was detrimental. Moderation is not a position of power, it is a position of recognition. Moderation beseeches the higher ranks, and so on and so forth.

Perhaps I am a little disappointed that (egotistically) I can offer to the community was shrugged off after a few mere months of inactivity, but in actuality, I stand by that decision. When I made the announcement that I would be gone for an indeterminately amount of time, I expected THIS to be one of the consequences.

Yes, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth, but it is at my own acceptance and decision to endure such discomfort. Honestly, I expect more discomfort and distancing from me for disclosing this, but from my perception, it is making a decision and following through with it regardless of outcome. I can live with myself regardless of circumstance knowing in my heart I acted upon what I believe to be true, honorable and correct. Conversely, I've been wrong before, and am willing to face that consequence as well. Even being I am right and still limited.

I do not wish myself to be a liability, but if I do not agree with something; I may carry on, but I refuse to be carrion.

Seeing as you want to publicly argue your removal in public boards I'll gladly oblige you in the next few hours when I am at a computer.

Devin, I am quite pleased for you to chime in as well. This is not about my removal, as stated above...in fact, I agree with such a decision. Regardless of my time perception, that it was a "small" amount of time, the community did what needed to be done. My contribution was excess fat upon the steak that is the foundation of Argonath.

Thank you all for the time you have spent on this discussion; for even though I may feel it important, I get that not everyone shares such sentiment. There are other things that need to be tended to, and for any of you to engage in this compliment speaks highly of your intellect.

Ass-kissing aside, we may disagree, but that doesn't mean that one of us, if not both, or none are wrong. We are all fighting to protect what we believe in.

My Achilles tendon is that I would wish this to be made public, unless there was information that was deemed inappropriate or damaging to our brethren. In the stead of fast if we put this effort into furthering ourselves, we would be so much greater. If confrontation is what is required, then s0beit. Regardless of legislative and corporeal boundaries, we are all human and have much to learn from eachother.

[Khm]

Welcome back, check your skype if you're still using it. Sent you something since a long time could be useful for you.

[Devin]

-) I do not detract that life may bear more importance and I may need to take my leave suddenly but with notice
-) The curiosity is, I suppose, what transpired in the period I was gone? Things have changed, as all things do over time; however, when someone is willing to go "all in" for the community that has been built here, that resource (I believe) should not be simply discarded.
-) "Applications are not opened for now." seems to be a redundant ignorance, prefacing that my own intentions and capabilities could not have surmised this myself. This being a community worth investing in, these trespasses have simply been overlooked.
-) The First inquiry was as to WHO to appeal or attempt to resolve these issues with, for the betterment of what was built for all to enjoy.
-) Understandably, a generic answer was given; without any questions truely answered. I cannot determine if this is an ignorance, saving face, or unknown mechanism, as I've been out of the loop for several months.
-) Can you point me in the direction to re-apply? (Seems to have been answered, in a vague format, but answered none-the-less). My request is simply to appeal the decision (regardless of how valued the decision was in forethought). In the military we have structure and organization for such appeals to take process. I fully understand that this is NAUGHT a military community, especially of a singular nation. As such, it is a live breeding ground for new ideas not bound to the whims of forefathers.
-) The UserBase is what grants us this power, and gives us this opportunity.
-) I challenge these answers not because "I think I can change what I am". Rather because I believe Argonath is a cause worth fighting to protect, despite our differing opinions. It is a matter of WE and not I.
-) Absolutely I will abide by any decisions made in the PUBLIC aspect of this community for all to see, consider, and weigh in upon.
-) Deleting my posts or editing content demonstrates weakness of character, and as of this point I am willing to concede fault within the techno logic aspects rather than assign blame.
-) It is just a game, that we are all free (providing we've not violated the rules of the community) to come to our own conclusions and decisions as a whole.
-) This entire being of self is nothing more than a social experiment; proving proofs, subjugating truths in a manner not readily heard.

- Of course, real life always comes first before games and other nonsense, we don't force people to remain here either however some form of notification is apppreciated instead of a total loss of communication along with people being too busy to let us know whilst spending hours and hours upon other games as you mentioned, GTA V.

- What  happened in the period you were gone? Things changed, things were improved upon and clutter was removed.

- The statement of applications are not opened is not redundant ignorance or lack of effort to give a more in depth reply. We do not simply open applications once a year or every few months because we can. Applications are only opened when we see there is a need for more staff members.

- As to who to appeal to about reapplying, I am rather certain Cyrils post holds enough merit there, when applications are open you will know. We do not sit back and say "Oh in 3 months we will open applications" as you can see in the previous point above.

- Call the answer generic if  you must, it is to the point and gives you what you need to know.

- See above, when applications are opened a board will be made and there will be public topics about applications being open.

- UserBase what, okay then.

- Fighting for what? Answers to long winded overly complex sentences to bore us to submission?

- I haven't any idea what you are referring to about decisions made by the public aspect of this community but sure.

- Deleting your posts or editing content? Are you honestly going to start making pointless remarks to try and defame or point the blame at others for something that has not even happened?

- Yes, indeed it is a game and people can come to their own conclusions, still what does this have to do with your topic?

- Okay keep on proving proofs and subjugating truths in a manner not readily heard, it means nothing to us but go ahead.

-) Moderation privilege was taken from me by due and just right. To which admin do I make my appeal of circumstance to?
-) Administration has logs and records as to my secondary post. I'd like to satisfy the curiosity of how such statement was redacted; was it intentional, feared, embraced, and what steps lead to that thought pattern?
-) I have presented my opinion, and what I believe to be fact with what I initially chose to endeavor with or without administrative clearance.....but rather freely offered opinion based on third party expressness.

- There is no need to make an appeal of circumstance to anyone, we are aware of your situation and what led to it. The moderator period is seen as a trial period, if you are unable to be active during that period for any reason and you default. You get removed if you are unable to fit into our staff team and unable to meet our requirements. You're welcome to try and reapply when applications are opened once again.

- What? If you really want answers at least make to the point statements instead of obscured statements that are not direct in the slightest.

- Opinion about what exactly? Your removal and unstated months of inactivity whilst playing GTA V?

That is a fair question, and I suppose the answer is YES, to a minor extent. As being one of the legacy community members (c'mon now, who remembers Pancher?), there is a certain divide between  "Us" and "Them". The issue with that mentality is that it is destructive.

Having a registration date on the forum in the early years doesn't make you any better than someone that may have registered today, "legacy community members" okay then. An early registration date, cool. Have you actually been around when the community has grown or appeared out of no where after 4-6 years of inactivity and now believe you are owed something?

Perhaps I am a little disappointed that (egotistically) I can offer to the community was shrugged off after a few mere months of inactivity, but in actuality, I stand by that decision. When I made the announcement that I would be gone for an indeterminately amount of time, I expected THIS to be one of the consequences.

A short period of inactivity for a staff member is seen as 2 weeks to a month at most, especially without proper notice. Anything over a month of unannounced inactivity will cost any staff member a position so I fail to see how you feel 4-6 months only a few "mere" months of inactivity.