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Reply #16 on: September 01, 2015, 08:07:25 pm
Argonath has always hosted an event about 9/11, nothing to be offended about, it's our way to show respect. I, as the mayoral candidate, would like to see SAFD and EMS getting back up, I will be supporting this in any way I can.


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Reply #17 on: September 01, 2015, 08:17:24 pm
Indeed. I don't see the need of a commissioner in a group like ARFD, every department having his own chief is good enough to keep an active structure as they will only focus on their assigned state and global issues regarding the force can always be solved with private meetings.

In this case, a reform of the SAFD is required. Check the active staff willing to continue with their duties and remove those that have lost the interest. Afterthat, recruitments should be opened and experienced players should be hired/invited to the FD as long as they possess the qualities to perfom a good firemen roleplay.
I agree with this and with what Matthew has said.

I know as I was EMS Captain of SAEMS I was trying to implement several things - most of them included new policies and procedures and better inter-agency cooperation. But during my development, Steven and I were removed (terminated) from ARFD/EMS due to another famous "restructure" of ARFD/EMS - yet again.

Would love to help in this, but I'm pretty sure I will be turned away by the current "commissioner".



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Reply #18 on: September 01, 2015, 08:30:52 pm
It was nice to have EMS, would be better to have it back. The inactive commisioner , who never shows up or just once in years (applies to every server) should be removed and someone else active should take over and promote those active instead of removing them.


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Reply #19 on: September 01, 2015, 08:35:44 pm
It was nice to have EMS, would be better to have it back. The inactive commisioner , who never shows up or just once in years (applies to every server) should be removed and someone else active should take over and promote those active instead of removing them.

it's not only Commissioner! Talking about SAFD, all High command is INACTIVE, and several times recruitments finish always in the same end "DENIED" or "You should be more active iG" Really? A Commander who's always inactive, deny a man for being inactive!! LOL you can't even see him IG if you're always inactive!!!  :war: :war: :war: .
Although, like many of you said, commissioner role is useless if you're inactivem cause it takes very much time. (sorry for my english)


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Reply #20 on: September 01, 2015, 08:42:11 pm
Once upon time we had a scripter in Argonath which focus alot on SAFD and put all his time on SAFD and the scripter name is [Rstar]Louis which every 2 week changed the fire mission so it got different places and improve it with alot of new stuff. Samething with EMS.



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Reply #21 on: September 01, 2015, 08:43:40 pm
it's not only Commissioner! Talking about SAFD, all High command is INACTIVE, and several times recruitments finish always in the same end "DENIED" or "You should be more active iG" Really? A Commander who's always inactive, deny a man for being inactive!! LOL you can't even see him IG if you're always inactive!!!  :war: :war: :war: .
Although, like many of you said, commissioner role is useless if you're inactivem cause it takes very much time. (sorry for my english)
Those who applied had been slated for rejection LONG before I actually did it, I only couldn't since I had PC problems up until two days ago, along with life that comes along. It's finally fixed and I don't have any problems with it now. Up until my PC problems began, I was active and I've also had multiple people checking these things for me, such as Jeff and Justin. Excuse me for not being able to do everything at once.


Indeed. I don't see the need of a commissioner in a group like ARFD, every department having his own chief is good enough to keep an active structure as they will only focus on their assigned state and global issues regarding the force can always be solved with private meetings.

In this case, a reform of the SAFD is required. Check the active staff willing to continue with their duties and remove those that have lost the interest. Afterthat, recruitments should be opened and experienced players should be hired/invited to the FD as long as they possess the qualities to perfom a good firemen roleplay.
I've been trying to reform SAFD since I got Battalion Chief in June. There's nothing I can do other than watch people go away from the group due to the Commissioner and us not being able to do as we wish with our own structure. I've had a plan for it in mind, yet I can't do anything with my own division.

The last time HQ intervened in SAFD, those "leading" it, I mean holding the high ranks told us that they were planning on getting things going. Clearly that's not the case as those in the top positions don't even play on the servers.

Would be nice to see those two groups up and running as they should again, and with people in charge that are motivated to run the group, not just hold a position.
The old command has left and we were put into FD as the newer command, yet as above, limited in what we could do. I'm not entirely sure what the excuse for my Captain is, but like I said I've been having issues with IRL and my PC. Not much I can do on that end.

I agree with this and with what Matthew has said.

I know as I was EMS Captain of SAEMS I was trying to implement several things - most of them included new policies and procedures and better inter-agency cooperation. But during my development, Steven and I were removed (terminated) from ARFD/EMS due to another famous "restructure" of ARFD/EMS - yet again.

Would love to help in this, but I'm pretty sure I will be turned away by the current "commissioner".
Phil and I had plans for to make SAFD more active and restructured, you were part of that plan. It didn't go anywhere since he went inactive, sadly. You weren't fired from ARFD/SAFD since you weren't in it, EMS isn't part of ARFD or SAFD and I have no control over it. Not sure why you were fired.



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Reply #22 on: September 01, 2015, 08:44:30 pm
Once upon time we had a scripter in Argonath which focus alot on SAFD and put all his time on SAFD and the scripter name is [Rstar]Louis which every 2 week changed the fire mission so it got different places and improve it with alot of new stuff. Samething with EMS.



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I think that we will need people like him!!!


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Reply #23 on: September 01, 2015, 08:53:38 pm
Not really, what is really required in most departments isn't just activity in game. There is something called paperwork which is down in forum, this isn't easy at all, as you think.. You have to find a way to improve the department, instead of moaning and laughing about your commanders.

several times recruitments finish always in the same end "DENIED" or " You should be more active iG" Really? A Commander who's always inactive, deny a man for being inactive!! LOL you can't even see him IG if you're always inactive!!!  :war: :war: :war: .

If someone isn't suitable for the job, why would you accept him?
The SAFD management, or the ARFD in general have more ways than being in game to see someone's activity, and attitude.

Although, like many of you said, commissioner role is useless if you're inactivem cause it takes very much time. (sorry for my english)

Commissioner isn't present to be active in your game. The commissioner's job is to do paperwork and supervise the other departments and keep everything on track, It is not really useless, as you said. in my opinion, it is playing the big role in the whole ARFD. Without them, you wouldn't be a member of SAFD nor anyone else. The commissioner shouldn't be active everyday, because the commissioner got many departments to supervisor, not just the San Andreas one. However, they should be active sometimes.


We should look for ways from now on to improve the San Andreas Fire Department instead of talking about it commanders. Maybe they got troubles in life and can't join game? Maybe they got other stuff to care about? Maybe they are active and under-cover? You cannot know.. You should not just judge about what you see, they are doing their best to keep the department on track. It is just about players, there are not many players who are very addicted to the Fire career or the Medic one, like you.



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Reply #24 on: September 01, 2015, 08:56:26 pm
Those who applied had been slated for rejection LONG before I actually did it, I only couldn't since I had PC problems up until two days ago, along with life that comes along. It's finally fixed and I don't have any problems with it now. Up until my PC problems began, I was active and I've also had multiple people checking these things for me, such as Jeff and Justin. Excuse me for not being able to do everything at once.

I've been trying to reform SAFD since I got Battalion Chief in June. There's nothing I can do other than watch people go away from the group due to the Commissioner and us not being able to do as we wish with our own structure. I've had a plan for it in mind, yet I can't do anything with my own division.
The old command has left and we were put into FD as the newer command, yet as above, limited in what we could do. I'm not entirely sure what the excuse for my Captain is, but like I said I've been having issues with IRL and my PC. Not much I can do on that end.
Phil and I had plans for to make SAFD more active and restructured, you were part of that plan. It didn't go anywhere since he went inactive, sadly. You weren't fired from ARFD/SAFD since you weren't in it, EMS isn't part of ARFD or SAFD and I have no control over it. Not sure why you were fired.

Nothing personal Allison, I only noticed that SAFD looks abandoned, and if you read well i said that some commanders had IRL problems, although, this can't justify that nobody wanna join SAFD and that like always i'm the only SAFD member online IG. i'm talking about the past too, when i was the "high Ranked" only being a Cadet. we're SAFD, we rapresent an official group, i'm only saying that.. if someone that's high ranked lost interest about SAFD and managing it, just let other take your role, we need ACTIVE people, i know IRL problems COMES FIRST it's obvius, but if you only log IG once every two weeks well.. that's different, and i'm not talking only about you, but about whole SAFD high command.


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Reply #25 on: September 01, 2015, 08:59:43 pm
I agree, we need the FD and the EMS, without them who will rescue people, who will heal people, who will prevent disasters. Yet with Argonath's current popularity and population is low, so we first need to increase Argonath's popularity and population, then worry about this. OR we should worry about this and try to solve this and then try to increase Argonath's popularity and population, idk.



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Reply #26 on: September 01, 2015, 09:00:23 pm
Not really, what is really required in most departments isn't just activity in game. There is something called paperwork which is down in forum, this isn't easy at all, as you think.. You have to find a way to improve the department, instead of moaning and laughing about your commanders.

If someone isn't suitable for the job, why would you accept him?
The SAFD management, or the ARFD in general have more ways than being in game to see someone's activity, and attitude.

Commissioner isn't present to be active in your game. The commissioner's job is to do paperwork and supervise the other departments and keep everything on track, It is not really useless, as you said. in my opinion, it is playing the big role in the whole ARFD. Without them, you wouldn't be a member of SAFD nor anyone else. The commissioner shouldn't be active everyday, because the commissioner got many departments to supervisor, not just the San Andreas one. However, they should be active sometimes.


We should look for ways from now on to improve the San Andreas Fire Department instead of talking about it commanders. Maybe they got troubles in life and can't join game? Maybe they got other stuff to care about? Maybe they are active and under-cover? You cannot know.. You should not just judge about what you see, they are doing their best to keep the department on track. It is just about players, there are not many players who are very addicted to the Fire career or the Medic one, like you.

Man.. i'm not the only who's saying that eh.. although, you're FDLC and i'm talking about SAFD. I can't say anything to you, cause you're the only that's leading FDLC at the moment. I know that IRL problems comes first, but we have an "on leave" section for that.. you can write it there, it tooks 5 mins, like i did times ago  :gand:


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Reply #27 on: September 01, 2015, 09:02:06 pm
Not really, what is really required in most departments isn't just activity in game. There is something called paperwork which is down in forum, this isn't easy at all, as you think.. You have to find a way to improve the department, instead of moaning and laughing about your commanders.

If someone isn't suitable for the job, why would you accept him?
The SAFD management, or the ARFD in general have more ways than being in game to see someone's activity, and attitude.

Commissioner isn't present to be active in your game. The commissioner's job is to do paperwork and supervise the other departments and keep everything on track, It is not really useless, as you said. in my opinion, it is playing the big role in the whole ARFD. Without them, you wouldn't be a member of SAFD nor anyone else. The commissioner shouldn't be active everyday, because the commissioner got many departments to supervisor, not just the San Andreas one. However, they should be active sometimes.


We should look for ways from now on to improve the San Andreas Fire Department instead of talking about it commanders. Maybe they got troubles in life and can't join game? Maybe they got other stuff to care about? Maybe they are active and under-cover? You cannot know.. You should not just judge about what you see, they are doing their best to keep the department on track. It is just about players, there are not many players who are very addicted to the Fire career or the Medic one, like you.
That's why instead of having 1 person with all the possible power, make one chief per server (SAMP, VCMP, IVMP..) who will focus on his own department.
Using "i have many forum work much paper" for not coming in-game and properly managing the ARFD shouldn't be accepted.
Also if one has no time to focus on the game, is busy with real life and simply cannot afford to spend time on managing something anymore, simply resign and let someone else take over, someone who has time, and wishes to dedicate to it.



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Reply #28 on: September 01, 2015, 09:03:26 pm
We all understand life comes before games, however if you are in a position where you are leading a group and need to take some time away from games;
At least ensure there is someone in your place that will take the reins whilst you are away so things can keep moving.

The same goes for stepping down from a position, at least ensure you put someone in your position in the said group you are leading and get them up to a reasonable understanding level to continue to lead the group when you are gone instead of dropping them in the deep end or just not putting someone up in the right place causing the group to hit a wall.



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Reply #29 on: September 01, 2015, 09:10:29 pm
That's why instead of having 1 person with all the possible power, make one chief per server (SAMP, VCMP, IVMP..) who will focus on his own department.

There is battalion chief for each division/server. However, some departments got this position without someone holding it. Because there aren't members in the department to hold it, or simply they are not suitable/good for the position "yet".

Using "i have many forum work much paper" for not coming in-game and properly managing the ARFD shouldn't be accepted.
Also if one has no time to focus on the game, is busy with real life and simply cannot afford to spend time on managing something anymore, simply resign and let someone else take over, someone who has time, and wishes to dedicate to it.

We all understand life comes before games, however if you are in a position where you are leading a group and need to take some time away from games;
At least ensure there is someone in your place that will take the reins whilst you are away so things can keep moving.

The same goes for stepping down from a position, at least ensure you put someone in your position in the said group you are leading and get them up to a reasonable understanding level to continue to lead the group when you are gone instead of dropping them in the deep end or just not putting someone up in the right place causing the group to hit a wall.

Indeed, there should be someone who hold the department after your leaving, or simply resign if you think you cannot do what you are supposed to do.



 


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