Improving SAFD

[Leroy_Kolta]

We all understand life comes before games, however if you are in a position where you are leading a group and need to take some time away from games;
At least ensure there is someone in your place that will take the reins whilst you are away so things can keep moving.

The same goes for stepping down from a position, at least ensure you put someone in your position in the said group you are leading and get them up to a reasonable understanding level to continue to lead the group when you are gone instead of dropping them in the deep end or just not putting someone up in the right place causing the group to hit a wall.

Correct, so can we fix this? If not, what needs to be done to accomplish this? @Devin

[Devin]

Fresh, willing and motivated people that have the energy to revive those portions to start with.

[Leroy_Kolta]

Fresh, willing and motivated people that have the energy to revive those portions to start with.

Great. So where do I (or anyone else)sign up? @Devin

[SugarD]

1. It is not inactive. Allison_Watters is active. My SA:MP is not working properly. Several people are aware of this. If you have a concern, why didn't you bring it up on the forums there instead of ranting here?

2. All positions in ARFD must be earned. I'm not just handing it over to anyone. I have people asking me this all of the time, many of which are new players that don't even bother applying in the first place because they wish to rank-hunt. I tell everyone every single time: Apply and earn it.

3. Clearly no one has any idea how the rank structure works. The Commissioner oversees all servers overall. Each server already has a Battalion Chief responsible for that specific server. The suggestions being brought up here are already how it works.

4. EMS is a completely separate group from ARFD, and it is private. The users who were recently fired were fired for completely valid reasons, from which they decided to flame me and that group's Commissioner repeatedly over Skype. (I still have logs if anyone in server leadership wishes to know the truth on this).

5. Emmett: Your account has been active since the day it was registered. You have never logged in.
Please check the following: http://arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2045

6. The 9/11 event is a great idea, and I've pushed for it every year. Every time I suggest it, no one has really tried to help out with it since the first time it happened. I would love to do it again, but it cannot be done on my own.

7. Leroy, your and Phil's firings were detailed in your application topics. They are valid.

8. Markk, the Commissioner was just in-game the other day.

9. Camels, all of the people applying are being denied for legitimate reasons. Many of them go in-game once or twice a month, and then leave Argo altogether. Also, Younes is in SA:MP SAFD also.

10. Leroy, you may apply back to EMS if you wish and try to earn your rank back, however your termination, (as well as those from others), are valid. Going around a private group's decisions by complaining to server leaders is not going to get your position returned to you.

[Devin]

3. Clearly no one has any idea how the rank structure works. The Commissioner oversees all servers overall. Each server already has a Battalion Chief responsible for that specific server. The suggestions being brought up here are already how it works.

This structure is lacking functionality based on the progress of the Fire Department since Zaila tried to get some life back into it but people refused to budge from their positions whilst doing nothing. We have yet to see those in the lead positions step up and show some initiative which is why players are now questioning the status of the group.

[Leroy_Kolta]

This structure is lacking functionality based on the progress of the Fire Department since Zaila tried to get some life back into it but people refused to budge from their positions whilst doing nothing. We have yet to see those in the lead positions step up and show some initiative which is why players are now questioning the status of the group.

Exactly.



SugarD, I'm not going to say my thoughts any more on my specific matter to EMS/ARFD, because i think it's just ridiculous to talk in circles - but things do need to change, and the way things are now, isn't working. I'm glad I'm not the only one to have seen this - Thank you @Devin

[SugarD]

This structure is lacking functionality based on the progress of the Fire Department since Zaila tried to get some life back into it but people refused to budge from their positions whilst doing nothing. We have yet to see those in the lead positions step up and show some initiative which is why players are now questioning the status of the group.

And yet the assigned SA:MP SAFD group leadership are the only ones who have been seen in-game lately. Meanwhile, even Gandalf himself agreed that someone else mentioned here was not aiding the situation by trying to overthrow the group when both sides complained to him.

I would also like to point out that most of the people here complaining have either been fired from one of the previously-mentioned groups, have notified absolutely no leadership of perceived issues, and/or have not once joined either group to help out with the situation. If no one is willing to help, what do you expect leadership to do? We can't lead those who don't want to follow...

SugarD, I'm not going to say my thoughts any more on my specific matter to EMS/ARFD, because i think it's just ridiculous to talk in circles - but things do need to change, and the way things are now, isn't working. I'm glad I'm not the only one to have seen this - Thank you @Devin

As I said before, you are free to reapply.

[Younes]

although, you're FDLC and i'm talking about SAFD. I can't say anything to you, cause you're the only that's leading FDLC at the moment.

First, this is a open discussion, anyone inside or outside the department can give his opinion. Though, I understand what you mean, but you don't really know what is happening. It is right that you see lack of activity in game, but you should not blame the command staff for it only.

[Arslan]

I would also like to point out that most of the people here complaining have either been fired from one of the previously-mentioned groups, have notified absolutely no leadership of perceived issues, and/or have not once joined either group to help out with the situation.

Only one person - Leroy, the rest are community members concerned about a group which has never been active since the beginning of RS5 with leadership who never come in-game but sit on forums flashing authority. I've never seen you in-game on RS5 ever, maybe once when it started. Don't tell me all this time you've been trying to fix SA:MP.

[SugarD]

Only one person - Leroy, the rest are community members concerned about a group which has never been active since the beginning of RS5 with leadership who never come in-game but sit on forums flashing authority. I've never seen you in-game on RS5 ever, maybe once when it started. Don't tell me all this time you've been trying to fix SA:MP.

I was in the beta, and introduced all of the current, active members in the group to the scripts that Conroy had made in the public release. You cannot say you haven't seen me when you've roleplayed with me...

If these community members are concerned about these groups, why aren't they joining them to help out?

[Arslan]

Also if EMS is separate, why do you have a say in internal affairs of EMS? Why do you hold a commissioner rank within EMS?

[SugarD]

Also if EMS is separate, why do you have a say in internal affairs of EMS? Why do you hold a commissioner rank within EMS?

I own the group. I am not the Commissioner of it. The Commissioner is Makala_Sparxx. It has absolutely nothing to do with ARFD, which has been explained hundreds of times.

Also, I don't hold the Commissioner rank in it. I have no idea where you are getting this information from.

[.Matthew.]

You are listed as commissioner in /groupmembers EMS.

[SugarD]

You are listed as commissioner in /groupmembers EMS.

I did not recreate the group after it had last bugged. I don't know why I am set as that.

[Bas]

I own the group. I am not the Commissioner of it. The Commissioner is Makala_Sparxx. It has absolutely nothing to do with ARFD, which has been explained hundreds of times.

Also, I don't hold the Commissioner rank in it. I have no idea where you are getting this information from.

Makala is exactly one of those people in a high ranked position with a horrific activity. Steven made EMS more attractive and it was fairly active. I rather see Steven returning to the ranks as he was a motivated member who did a lot for the group.
And about SAFD... I've been in it for about 2 months but have yet to be even approached for the first academy stage. They promised me that they were working on it back then, However I have yet to see any progress being made. Being entirely honest, Besides =AVt=Massi there isn't anyone who is organising things. Plus I haven't seen you around a lot either besides to occasional forum visit.