Changes to be made

[Khm]

Do you honestly expect staff to be friendly and to go around hugging players that are wasting their time by advertising and disrupting the server?
The rules clearly state on registration that advertising is not allowed.

If you really want to talk about player base, shall I point you toward stunt?

Staff are also players..

[beLTa]

If you really want to talk about player base, shall I point you toward stunt?

What if I say there are almost no players in stunt just because there are hundreds of stunt server across SA:MP?

[Devin]

If people would like to help improve the situation, it's not hard. Blaming it on the staff that are spending their time protecting the server and banning those advertising is illogical.
So is blaming staff for banning a person that should not be doing what they are doing.

And by the way I present myself, by responding to negative remarks in a similar fashion.  I am hardly shitting on anyone by responding to them.
If you have a problem you're welcome to send a PM.

[beLTa]

Staff are also players..

Exactly. Are they differ from us? What if everyone leave the server, just an example. What the staff will do then? Banning each other to spend their time? Duh.

[Devin]

What if I say there are almost no players in stunt just because there are hundreds of stunt server across SA:MP?

The same logic could be implied in response to roleplay and rpg servers.

[KhornateMonkey]

If people would like to help improve the situation, it's not hard. Blaming it on the staff that are spending their time protecting the server and banning those advertising is illogical.
So is blaming staff for banning a person that should not be doing what they are doing.

This I agree with, however changes can be made to the way we punish. Ask many players, since I was an admin in RS4 I have always used words rather than punishments.

And by the way I present myself, by responding to negative remarks in a similar fashion.  I am hardly shitting on anyone by responding to them.
If you have a problem you're welcome to send a PM.

But this I do not. You are a member of the community of high stature and rank. Players look up to you for leadership and guidance, or that is how it is meant to be. Many members, including I do not see it that way. I come on the forums to topics like these weekly with at first valid views which can be discussed with constructive criticism, which regulary are, until they are derailed usually by high ranking community members claiming that everyone is being negative and moaning, throwing at insults and childish banter. You would not see a high ranking official in the real world responding to such remarks in a similar fashion.

I am an admin and developer, but I don't look up to you, in fact I find what you say quite embarrassing and almost shames the entirety team, leaving us with limited respect from players.

[Teddy]

Let's refocus this... players are players, staff are players.. there are rules all players need to follow. Plain and simple.

Now the amount of people here complaining could be the amount of people in the server actually making a difference. Finding new RP scenarios, helping new players fit in, and just in general having fun with friends. But no, you would all rather sit here and fight over some stupid ban instead of making a real difference.

[Brian]

Stunt's player base is not because of a thousand other servers. It's because the script lacks main items related to stunt, we barely get any new things and most updates are admin related. We have no active, dedicated scripter that actively puts out scripts. But we have two scripters that are busy with school, exam years and put in their time they have left (which is not much) with small updates.
I appreciate the people trying to defend stunt, but we need to improve a lot to actually gain players.
 
As for the admin team, I do agree that admins should be a bit stricter on some occasions, but also lenient on others. In my opinion when someone says. I previously played on (server name) that doesn't mean they should be banned straight away. All they do is notify they played there before, big deal. But once someone says 'come to...' or things like that, yes he does deserve a removal from the server.

And for Stivi, I have never even heard about a moderator guide in the wiki, no one has forwarded me to it, and I don't see it in the staff boards either. Most of the servers I have been staff at have their own guides, as all servers have different rule set, as they're about different items.

[Salmonella]

Now the amount of people here complaining could be the amount of people in the server actually making a difference. Finding new RP scenarios, helping new players fit in, and just in general having fun with friends. But no, you would all rather sit here and fight over some stupid ban instead of making a real difference.

That ban thing was discussed long ago, you're bringing it up again for some reason, not other.

Did you read my post? What you're saying about RP and helping new players is going on MORE THAN EVER. RP is NOT the issue, there's plenty of it. It's the fact that yesterday a veteran quit because he had to spend 2 hours looking for his bike because of the absense of /heydude that draws less and less people to stay around. Or when that bike runs out of fuel and you have to respawn it to get 10 percent fuel to get to a gas station again, which is considered abuse but is absolutely necessary because of the absence of /fillup gascan.

Things like that are things we are lacking in and can be changed. The roleplay is there, the community is still there, the helpfulness to new players is there, but we can all sit in a circle and sing kumbaya but in the end that won't keep new players around if they can't earn a single penny and have to look for their bike for 2 hours only to find it's out of fuel and therefore rendered useless just the same...

[beLTa]

The same logic could be implied in response to roleplay and rpg servers.

Are you sure? I barely find role play servers around. And most of them aren't perfect, almost all. The only server I'm playing in atm is Argonath. I tried many of them but there were nothing instead of robbing each other's pockets. So let's come up to the point. No one can make a difference between stunt as stunt is stunt. Other servers have same stunts as we have now, might be more than us.. I don't know.

My question is, what would you like to say about our player base that got decreased to 10 after touching the base of 100+? What do you think is going on between players?

Yesterday, I talked to a player who was complaining that the current leaders are just doing their best to make other players down. You just don't know how to talk with a player. Spreading shit around ain't gonna take us anywhere as everyone is with one thing! Democracy is better than just doing what you like!

[Satoshi]

In my opinion when someone says. I previously played on (server name) that doesn't mean they should be banned straight away. All they do is notify they played there before, big deal. But once someone says 'come to...' or things like that, yes he does deserve a removal from the server.

Yes, exactly. That's what I meant and that's why I brought that subject.

[Bruce.]

Do you honestly expect staff to be friendly and to go around hugging players that are wasting their time by advertising and disrupting the server?

With such a player base? Yes I do expect them to be friendly... They are not in that position to just /ban people because instead of talking to them they just insta /ban and end of story... They should be a bit patient with new players... if someone advertises like a fucking idiot by spamming ofc that's good to ban but if someone like the guy in the screenshot says a name without flooding and going on a retarded mode... just tell him politely and with respect to not do it again... instabaning people won't increase the playerbase....

[Ivan_Dzeba]

It's unbeliavable for Argonath not to have a advertisement on SAMP advertisement boards, if we had a advertisement there, we would be known, and atleast get atleast a few players or more. We should advertise this server on server advertisement websites,to our friends and our relatives.

People aren't caring about new players as I see, a new player comes and nobody comes to him and introduces him. I also suggest for players to get some kind of introduction video or something when they join Argonath. We all should give new players maximum respect and attitude they need.

If we introduce the new players and show them around, maybe they won't be confused and they will know what Argonath is etc... So they won't leave fastly.

[Khm]

We got told before that staff team is being worked on (by Teddy), let's focus about us the players now let's not go admins vs players again, what should we do from our position as veterans/regulars in your opinions guys?

It's unbeliavable for Argonath not to have a advertisement on SAMP advertisement boards, if we had a advertisement there, we would be known, and atleast get atleast a few players or more. We should advertise this server on server advertisement websites,to our friends and our relatives.

Ever read their rules?

People aren't caring about new players as I see, a new player comes and nobody comes to him and introduces him. I also suggest for players to get some kind of introduction video when they join Argonath. We all should give new players maximum respect and attitude they need.

If we introduce the new players and show them around, maybe they won't be confused and they will know what Argonath is etc... So they won't leave fastly.

You know this yet you fail to apply it by yourself, this is another problem we throw chat like that and never really apply it.

[Axison]

Are you sure? I barely find role play servers around. And most of them aren't perfect, almost all. The only server I'm playing in atm is Argonath. I tried many of them but there were nothing instead of robbing each other's pockets. So let's come up to the point. No one can make a difference between stunt as stunt is stunt. Other servers have same stunts as we have now, might be more than us.. I don't know.

My question is, what would you like to say about our player base that got decreased to 10 after touching the base of 100+? What do you think is going on between players?

Yesterday, I talked to a player who was complaining that the current leaders are just doing their best to make other players down. You just don't know how to talk with a player. Spreading shit around ain't gonna take us anywhere as everyone is with one thing! Democracy is better than just doing what you like!

There are not plenty of roleplay servers which are successful. But the ones which are, tend to be highly populated(yes there are alot of them). Consider this asslicking or not i don't care but i would advise you to speak respectfully. If you shit on others, they'll shit on you. Devin alone cannot be held responsible for whatever is happening, so please stop with that nonsense. Yes he leads the server but is it really his fault the players are leaving? Even if there is, he just contributed to whatever there was already, so lets not blame the guy.