Changes to be made

[Axison]

I'd say this for myself, I'm not good at art. Not bad at writing but i prefer someone more professional does it. I'll post it.

[Marcel]

Read this carefully: http://forum.sa-mp.com/showthread.php?t=464581

Can be done easily. I have 30+ reps there. As long as the post isn't reported by Gandalf, they won't even care.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

NOTE: Read this post now carefully, please, thank you.

Guys, if we are gonna advertise our server on SAMP forums server advertisement boards, we need to be prepared for the new players that will come,because I think that when people see our advertisement we will get more and more new players, because alot and I mean alot of people view advertisements at the SAMP forums server advertisement boards and then alot of people join those servers to see what they are, so they stay or leave, so when they come, we need to give them the maximum respect and attitude they need, we also need to introduce them to the server and show them around and help them.

[.Matthew.]

Don't make any advertisements now.
Once server is properly updated with wanted and proper scripts, then go ahead and do it.
Currently it's a waste of time since newcomers will come and go out of boredom and lack of jobs/features.

[Khm]

Don't make any advertisements now.
Once server is properly updated with wanted and proper scripts, then go ahead and do it.
Currently it's a waste of time since newcomers will come and go out of boredom and lack of jobs/features.

It's not a waste of time, scripts are fine. How would new players know about the future plans that are still not yet live?
Give it a try like we did for the hosted tab. It's not hard to write a topic for this month.

[Marcel]

It's not a waste of time, scripts are fine. How would new players know about the future plans that are still not yet live?
Give it a try like we did for the hosted tab. It's not hard to write a topic for this month.

Speaking of which, hosted tab has been paid for another month as of today, thanks to StatuZ.

[Devin]

Can be done easily. I have 30+ reps there. As long as the post isn't reported by Gandalf, they won't even care.

With the frequency of his visits to these forums I wonder if he has an active account on the SA:MP forum. Either way it wouldn't be a problem for someone within the staff team to advertise on behalf of the community/server.

[Marcel]

With the frequency of his visits to these forums I wonder if he has an active account on the SA:MP forum. Either way it wouldn't be a problem for someone within the staff team to advertise on behalf of the community/server.

If someone with design skills provides me with BBCode/Images, I will write the texts and post it on the SA:MP forums.

[Khm]

Just another case of today, I was IG just now. Asked someone to help out another new player while I'm going off but no one cared to help from around 14 players (Except Frank Hawk and Dan Coleman) BaLLaS.
How about we sort such problem out and really help to make them stick around? It's really disgusting how veterans downgrade these new players when these new comers are the feet of our community. We have to make a solid team with high activity and willing to help, advise everyone IG constantly to help others.

[Satoshi]

If someone with design skills provides me with BBCode/Images, I will write the texts and post it on the SA:MP forums.

@Traser

[Traser]

@Traser

Go take a look in the spoiler for the one i made for GTA:MP , this kind of thing i can also make for SA:MP. Provide me with ideas what there NEED to be on.

Spoiler for GTA:MP:

 
 
"A world of its own"
Argonath RPG was founded in 2006 with a clear target. The founders were upset with the community they left because of how people treated each other, and how there was a lack of recognition from the administration for the efforts of new players and those who were not in the favour of leaders.
There for it was decided to create a new community that would be open to all people,
and where new players were treated same as regulars and veterans. With a new community this was not a problem, as everyone was new and the only veterans were the main leaders.
With the growth of the community over the years, there have been a number of players who do not know about the origins of our community, and the goals that were set when creating it. As a result, there has been a clash between people who feel that they are entitled because of being regulars and the goals and ideas of the owners and developers. To clarify this, we present our vision.

• 1.   Argonath was, is, and will always be a community that should be friendly to new people. We will continue to be  a breeding ground for new people to discover the fun of playing by imagination. This is what has brought us official status and creates a regular flow of new players in to our server, keeping the community alive and feeding it.
  
• 2.   Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
  
• 3.   Argonath does not offer privileges against payment. The equal status prohibits any possibility of payment for extra possibilities, rights or money in game.
  
• 4.   Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
  
• 5.   Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community
  
• 6.   Argonath players are, regardless of point 5, free to implement within their group or play guidelines and habits of playing. However they are not allowed to force people outside their group to use the same rules, resort to flaming, insulting, or trying to excluse players who do not play by non-official group rules.
  
• 7.   Argonath administration team will devote their time primarily to keep players following the guidelines. They apply for this knowingly, and will be given rights and levels according to their devotion, ability to help out others and follow the guidelines given to them. Admin rights shall never be given as reward or to show status. Promotions in the admin team will be based on the perception of the developers and main admins, and shall not be given based on seniority. If at any time admins feel not able to continue their devotion to admin guidelines, they are invited to resign. Resigning from admin rights or losing them should not reflect on the players status or recognition as valuable member of the community.
  
• 8.   Argonath recognizes that a part of the community is underage. There for the following shall be prohibited:
  a.   Swearing, flaming and insulting. Within roleplay this is allowed very limited and strictly bound to the situation. If there is any doubt about the slang/language used is for ropleplay only,  administration has full right to take any measures they find necessary.
  b.   Promotion of usage of alcohol, drugs and other stimulating substances. We respect the freedom of choice, however people should be respecting that others who have different beliefs and choices have this right as well
  c.   Explicit sexual content. While within roleplay and discussion a certain freedom is granted, the underage community should be protected from eplicit sexual actions or content.
  d.  Cyberharrasment, stalking and bullying of players based on their belief, views, race or choices in life.
  
• 9.   Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations.  This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.
  
• 10.   Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.
  

Argonath RPG a world of its own, medium level role-play server.
The role-play server with the best experience in the gaming world, a server which will show you the amazing wide open world, a world, YES! a world of it’s own, It will show you adventures and thousands of opportunities and jobs, if you don't want to work all day long you can always take a day off and buy a fully loaded Shotgun with various mods at the ammunation, blast yourself a way trough los santos, or keep the peace! your head explodes with all the opportunities hidden in the big city of los santos, so? where are you waiting for? come to the cities, join us at Argonath RPG!


What if you could be who you want to be? it is possible, we offer you the following:

• Advanced Registration system.
  You are able to register your account with additional options to ensure safety!
  
• City Foundation.
  You are able to start fresh, play some days and get a passport and drivers license!
  
• Basic roleplay structure.
  The basic roleplay commands to role-play your way!
  
• Property System.
  The way to live your life in a building owned by you!
  
• Vehicle system.
  The way to move yourself, from state vehicles to owning vehicles!
  
• Group protection system.
  The ability to have a group-tag and protect it!
  
• Real feeling Economy.
  A real feeling of money that is spend or not!
  
• Inventory.
  Collected weed, got a passport and license?
  

More stuff? yes there is!

• A state of the art Panel
  Argonath RPG GTA:MP Panel!
  
• Direct feedback with the Developers
  Talk directly with the developers of the game-mode!
  
• Direct usage of the ideas section!
  Join the forums and post your idea for the server!
  
• More to be added.
  

"The Team" The team behind this project, advanced within scripting and graphical art
 

• Traser - Graphical Designer / Administration Manager / Server Leader
  
• Marcel - Script Developer / Panel developer
  
• Armelin - Script Developer
  
• James Conway - Script developer
  
• Cyril - Administrator
  
• Teddy - Server Management
  
• Gandalf - Server Owner (community owner)
  
• Aragorn - Server Owner (community owner)
  
• Sauron  - Server Management
  

Take a look at the various ways you can contact us:
 
Argonath RPG Website - www.argonathrpg.eu
Argonath RPG Forum - www.argonathrpg.eu/forum
Argonath RPG Ingame - gtamp.argonathrpg.eu
 
Or take a look at our other servers:
 
SA:MP Rpg.


SA:MP Stunt.

 
VC:MP

 
IV:MP

 
See you soon.
 
With kind regards
Traser.
Argonath RPG GTA:MP Server leader.
 
Argonath RPG, all rights reserved.
® Traser Designs 2006-15

Special thanks to Bert // Loon for the "take a look and be amazed" subtext!

[Marcel]

Working on the advertisement with @Traser! Will be done shortly.

[Satoshi]

Sounds great!

[Thom]

So this is supposed to be a discussion topic, but I only see people throwing their ideas.. Suprisingly the next ones to post, won't discuss what they saw and just throw what they think or extend what they already said before..

Anyway, let me throw in what i think.. There are some reasons out there, why Argonath isn't attractive for new players or generally being active. There was mentioned from someone before about the new games and GTA V that SA:MP is getting old. If that's true, Argonath isn't making, much of a progress to keep up with at least the scripts of the original new games like GTA V. Why play a game like SA:MP when the best thing argonath can offer you is trucking and houses.

One month ago, I had travelled to my cousin's house for 2 weeks. He started playing argo SA:MP because of me. Being next to him, helping him a little for the start was really dissapointing. Spawning in LSAP, All the cars with no fuel, bunnyhopping to GS9 and grab a vehicle to do what? Be a cop, that nowadays needs application? Be a fireman when no one is? Be a taxi driver, where it isn't guaranteed you know the Argonath Places as a newbie? Mechanic, probably never RPed before? Trucker to never find a trailer, and not even knowing the locations that are on the Job Offer catalog? The script isn't even new player welcome. Believe me the only thing that keeps Argonath together, is old bonds.

My point is, why should New Players play, when they don't know anybody, and there are games and servers with more fun?

My suggestions: 1. Make Unity Station the new spawning place for newbies and fill it with Bikes (No fuel needed)
2. Show a box and a text that tells in simple and little words what they are supposed to do in this server.
3. Support a revive of the ACA, with assist of Admin Staff and CMB that will help new players.
4. People should remember why is the reason they are trucking, in the end it's all about RP. Add an "Exhaustion" Script that you can accept up to 15 Job Offers(trucking) lets say the day. People get obssesed with money forgeting what is the purpose in this server, to RP and have fun.
5. Try to assist the new creative ideas i see around failing, only because they aren't script supported or ran by a staff member.
6. Add the Mayor script. This whole competitive game between the cities will spread the people gathered in Los Santos in a positive way.

That's all from me

[Ivan_MC]

Just another case of today, I was IG just now. Asked someone to help out another new player while I'm going off but no one cared to help from around 14 players (Except Frank Hawk and Dan Coleman) BaLLaS.
How about we sort such problem out and really help to make them stick around? It's really disgusting how veterans downgrade these new players when these new comers are the feet of our community. We have to make a solid team with high activity and willing to help, advise everyone IG constantly to help others.

LOL. Are you trying to say that whenever I am IG, I should go to LSAP and help every new player that logs in ? Veterans barrelly have time to go IG cuz you know they are grown now and have more busy life than the one 5-6years ago. They can't RP, take care of business and help new players, simple they don't have time for all that. What the server needs is a proper INTRO when you enter the server for the first time ( register ). You need to be guided in the things you can do to work and make money, because let's face it like 80percents of the new players that logs asks in /p What is the best job to make money?, the other 20percents are either cheaters or DMers ( rule-brakers ). You all talking about Role-Play is the thing to make the new players stay around, let's face it that is pure bullshit. Get back in time when you first time joined Argonath. I bet all of you were either rule-brakers or guided by some friend/member how to make money and you were doing just that. This will make new players stay around now too. One thing is that Admins have to be more kind and more in a talk-mode with the new players when they rule-brake ( warn them, ask them not to do that and similar, not just /ban them without a thing being said ). Second thing is to make one job that can pay off good by working it ( doesn't matter how much you hate money-hungry players, new ones will always want to work and get payed good for that ).  This two things will make new players stay around more, this was my opinion on how to improve the player-base.