Changes to be made

[Ivan_MC]

Jesus, that's so selfish. As a new player I'd never interact with a robot, I am there to meet with people not a f**cking interactive robot. Yes as a veteran you have to help the new players with a detailed introduction, if you will keep thinking like that we will have no SA:MP Argonath anymore.

Why are you talking about yourselfe? Look around. Face the facts that bigger percentage of the new players are asking how to make big cash, they are not like /p I want to meet people and make friends. They are all /p What is the easiest way to earn cash ?. You have to look what the new players are asking for, not to do what you think that YOU would like to see if you enter for the first time.

[Traser]

It's very hard.

Go ingame, moaning on forums only LOWERS the playercount.

[Devin]

No one says you have to help new players, however if you actually want to make a difference and help improve things you would be willing to help new players instead of passing it on to the next person.

[Axison]

If you're not willing to help those new players then you can stop complaining about playerbase.

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[brian1996]

If you're not willing to help those new players then you can stop complaining about playerbase.

I never complained about the playerbase since I frankly don't care at all about that, I've got more important things to do than playing some modification that's a decade old.
I think it will increase after some time, this is just a phase, just like all the times before this.

[Jeremy.]

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=107026.msg1701121#msg1701121

I posted this some time ago and I believe this could bring a lot of benefits for the newcomers. There's no need of something complicated, but something short and concrete to familiarize those which have an interest about learning things. Of course this requires the implementation of the scripts which have been promised.

Indeed this doesn't compare to assisting the new players in-game but I think in this way they will become more interested and it will become easier for us to help them out.

[Que]

GUYS

Just look at this topic, at least the last five pages or so. No brain surgery is needed to realize that there are millions of opinions and points, but yet no one is agreeing, neither making any progress. It's just an endless discussion about absolutely nothing, which has been going on for years.

It's time to sit down, community leaders, all the big bosses, capos or plain high ups of each faction that is recognized or famous within the Argonathian border, role models of the community who wants to promote more widely, and you all sit down, take up questions like:

* What is Argonath to You?
* What do we want in the future?
* What is our main priority right now?
* How can we achieve success?
* What can we do to develop?

Make a Skype group or whatever. Sit the fuck down, talk to each other like a TEAM and decide what Argonath should become in the future.
I bet half of the community don't even have a clue what's going on and where the community is heading.

The situation is clusterfucked.

[Traser]

The situation is clusterfucked.

Me, crowe. and Manoni were the last 3 remaining, i just logged off. now it's this:



And now take another look at this pathetic moan topic.

[Khm]

I'm supporting this, we should make that asap in this week. How about Tuesday 20:00 server time? Or just make a topic about it of people who want to join in this "meeting" (only serious people and known players please) and agree about a date and time which suit everyone.

[Cofiliano]

Jesus, that's so selfish. As a new player I'd never interact with a robot, I am there to meet with people not a f**cking interactive robot. Yes as a veteran you have to help the new players with a detailed introduction, if you will keep thinking like that we will have no SA:MP Argonath anymore.

Thing is both you/Luke/Devin and Ivan are right.

You are all talking from your perspective. Some new players likes to interaction more. Some new players likes to start working more and focus on that.

And you got 3rd type of new players, who likes to check out and enjoy interesting scripts(horsebets, casinos, bank robbery that's coming, etc etc)

So its just a matter of "taste", but we need both types of players around, and we need to provide them with enough opportunities for both.


Answer on first type of new players are veterans and their group. They're the one who's roleplays and interaction is gonna make those kind of players stick around.

Answer on second and third kind of new players is more interesting, and enjoyable scripts, that you can have alot of fun together with your friends, and that you can earn from.


But its a charmed cycle really. Because in order to bring Veterans and their groups back, you need those new interesting and enjoyable scripts, specially for criminals and we need them to be amazing as well. Then they'll start interactions and roleplays that will make new players stick around.

So we unfortunately go down on the issue, its the scripts. The faster they are developed and published, the more people will come back. The slower they are developed and published, more people will find other places to play on. Including the new players who went trough Argonath and left.

And yeah these topics ain't really helping and are pointless. Sit back and relax.

[Salmonella]

This whole ''players are selfish now and don't care for roleplay'' bullshit is all nice and it's great to see you all agreeing on it even though it's hardly true for the majority of the current players, but how's that gonna fix anything? What do you propose we do? Ban everyone that doesn't spend at least an hour welcoming people at LSAP? Ban someone for having a bunch of stuff? As far as I know developer Teddy is the richest person ingame, does that make him a bad RPer or anything? Lovely truisms and a bunch of stating the obvious (we all met friends on argonath okay  ), but the only useful in these last pages was Cofi's post.

Things that can be addressed need to be addressed. Like Cofi explained, in the end it all comes down to the scripts. RS5 should've taught anyone this, if anything.

Cofi broke it down exactly how it is. The scripts are what need to be attended to, and until those are tiptop again, nothing else is gonna change.

Please don't scoff at players for ''non-RP'' or ''it doesn't make sense RPLy''. Forcing people works the other way round. A lot of changes into the wrong direction have been forced on the players over time and it just gave bad results... One of the key things that made Argonath so unique was its freedom.

There is PLENTY of roleplay, there is a good enough community, there is a good administration team, so why is everyone still looking in those areas to blame it on?

[Teddy]

What was the big difference from the jump from RS4 to RS5?
Hardly nothing if all RS5 has so many scripts what shit on RS4 14x over, the diffrence is everyone is so f**cking money motivated now-days that role-play is a thing of the past, everyone just wants to roll round with 500 properties 500 cars and loads of cash and guns acting to be the big I am, you don't need cash to role-play, imho this is the difference. People left in RS4 because they lost their cash, boo hoo, I for one stayed yes I lost everything yes I contemplated when I went to RS5 but this game aint about cash, its about the experience of friends, I don't join to farm cash, I join to have a laugh with my distant friends, thats why we are all here, no big changes to be made, all the issue is at the moment is everyone has become so distant from everyone, in RS4 I could name half the server as friends, RS5 I can only name a few, a few pop in from RS4 but that's the issue, the reason why I still play and still sit on these forums day in and day out, is for the friendship we all have built with one another within Argonath, the new players don't stay as they just don't have that, they join and feel isolated leave due to the boredom of being alone, yes we have guys join and bam they fit right in, @Kaseem is my prime example, he wouldn't have event thought about SAMP or Argonath if it wasn't for me introducing him and making him feel welcome, the guy who introduced me also did the same and the train follows. Point is the server at the moment ain't getting new players staying due to the fact well, there is no interaction or effort with them, everyone just expects players to join and know the game off the bat, we need to get involved get into the roleplays with the new guys, if it comes down to just going to LS/LVAP and saying "Ayo Welcome" or someshit thats a start, we all started off at that point, and its bloody hard to get started on Argonath, I joined myself and just went straight to the Ammu and began shooting everyone, because thats what everyone knew, it wasn't till my mate, came round to my house (not saying do this) to actully explain how it works, and he brought me to Roleplays etc. and thats where it all started. We cannot just expect a massive change all of sudden we just have to work towards it. Like it or not, we are all one big family.

You just earned a great deal of respect from me. Well said.

[Andeey]

i don't get how people aren't happy that changes are coming... Script updates mapping.. about 4-5 months ago there was nothing like this.. no changes at all not even bug fix's. Why can't we be happy atleast something is being done, it doesnt take 15 minutes to fix everything, scripters don't have an easy job.
Just be greatful

[Meow Meow]

to be honest, I attribute the problem to our mistake of limiting police, combat shotgun, and lack of business features. These are all things that'll be resolved in the coming week as my PC is fixed.

limiting police was never a mistake Teddy, actually limiting police is the best thing happened lately (at least in my opinion) now we don't have to get upset just because of new players coming in and going on cop duty as soon as they join the community just for /su ID (any shitty reason) then either jail him or kill him and get money, I mean how many cops or self proclaim cops we reported back at the days (before new script)? I cant imagine the number, and how many of them got punished? the answer will always be 0, adding business features is a good idea to attract members to our community. the other thing that needs a fix is some admins should stop considering themselves above the rules, it's so painful to see admin temp banning a member for sexual talk on main chat and next day another admin writes a complete essay of sexual talk on main chat,