IV:MP Needs to Improve.

[yasyo]

You expect us to accept admins based on their langauge?

well History is important but belive me history doesnt always reflect the inside of the person .... and language is very important as logn as beign A-team member have Communication with rule breakers as priority.

[Brian]

i totally agree Mr.Kewl .


then Mr.James , if you see language as important thing? why recuiting A-team members is not based on `` how many languages you speak `` then?

Because it is an international server with English as base language. If a player does not speak English and breaks the rules, then that is their fault, not the administrators. If we just hire staff because they speak other languages. How will you ever get people to role-play together if there's about 7 different languages being spoken on the server?

[yaz000n]

Because it is an international server with English as base language. If a player does not speak English and breaks the rules, then that is their fault, not the administrators. If we just hire staff because they speak other languages. How will you ever get people to role-play together if there's about 7 different languages being spoken on the server?

That is Right ^^^ !!

[BojanS]

Perception of Argonath and fun is the key.
I am sure the biggest problem is client, however.

[James Conway]

Perception of Argonath and fun is the key.
I am sure the biggest problem is client, however.

I agree the client is buggy, and crashes avg 2 times an hour. But it hasn't stopped us since 2010.

[yasyo]

Because it is an international server with English as base language. If a player does not speak English and breaks the rules, then that is their fault, not the administrators. If we just hire staff because they speak other languages. How will you ever get people to role-play together if there's about 7 different languages being spoken on the server?

you didnt got my point , i said speaking other languages + english language , so english langauge is priority , but if the applicant talk many other languages then he should be in top list.

[yaz000n]

you didnt got my point , i said speaking other languages + english language , so english langauge is priority , but if the applicant talk many other languages then he should be in top list.

I dont agree at all.

[Toreto]

As i see the only problem here is ( players activity ) but people have their own opinion to choose which game to play if they have time

any other thing is normal.

[Younes]

you didnt got my point , i said speaking other languages + english language , so english langauge is priority , but if the applicant talk many other languages then he should be in top list.

Yeah, I think I got your point. However, administrators are to be chose because of many standards, probably what you are saying is one of them. However, just because someone speaks all the languages in the world, he shouldn't be in the top list. There are more important stuff that the administrators should have than spoken languages. At least every player in the server speaks two different langauges, which is very good. If administrators doesn't understand someone's langauge, they can simply request someone who does through the main chat to help them to communicate with the player who they are dealing with. The players and the administrators are like a team.

The fact is, everyone got a problem or something to handle in real life or simply as some said previously, they lost interest in IV:MP.

In my opinion, we should make our server more comfortable and enjoyable for the players, by offering some services/functions in the server which should be monthely updated. But the problem is, we don't have enough scripters in the IV:MP team to handle those stuff. Armelin is doing his best, but he needs more than one partner to work with to make the work easier. I don't know who can be the proper person for the job, but I hope that we find someone soon.

About the scripts, I think that we should start making the server more realistic and start offering some roleplay services in game. It is not actually just from the scripts, our players should drop that laziness in game and start roleplaying instead of money farming or cruising around with their vehicle. This is a roleplay server, the basic roleplay commands are already found in the server, we do not really need some scripts, those scripts are just to help the players. The problem is with the players, they should roleplay whenever they are in game and stop refusing to roleplay. Roleplay is what makes the server updated, the imagination of the human is unlimited, If we just try to roleplay 80% of our time in-game, the server will become much better than now. And we would start roleplaying whenever we are in game because we start upgrading our skills when we practice.

[SuchAnAngel]

Communicating with non-English persons is very hard. They break a rule, they get frozen and talked to. But because they don't understand why they are frozen and what the admin says, they often start flaming (which apparently they can in English) and then they get kicked. So that is a difficult matter if you cant understand each other. Do you know another way how that would need to be handled?

Use Translator I think .. 

[yasyo]

Yeah, I think I got your point. However, administrators are to be chose because of many standards, probably what you are saying is one of them. However, just because someone speaks all the languages in the world, he shouldn't be in the top list. There are more important stuff that the administrators should have than spoken languages. At least every player in the server speaks two different langauges, which is very good. If administrators doesn't understand someone's langauge, they can simply request someone who does through the main chat to help them to communicate with the player who they are dealing with. The players and the administrators are like a team.

The fact is, everyone got a problem or something to handle in real life or simply as some said previously, they lost interest in IV:MP.

In my opinion, we should make our server more comfortable and enjoyable for the players, by offering some services/functions in the server which should be monthely updated. But the problem is, we don't have enough scripters in the IV:MP team to handle those stuff. Armline is doing his best, but he needs more than one partner to work with to make the work easier. I don't know who can be the proper person for the job, but I hope that we find someone soon.

About the scripts, I think that we should start making the server more realistic and start offering some roleplay services in game. It is not actually just from the scripts, our players should drop that laziness in game and start roleplaying instead of money farming or cruising around with their vehicle. This is a roleplay server, the basic roleplay commands are already found in the server, we do not really need some scripts, those scripts are just to help the players. The problem is with the players, they should roleplay whenever they are in game and stop refusing to roleplay. Roleplay is what makes the server updated, the imagination of the human is unlimited, If we just try to roleplay 80% of our time in-game, the server will become much better than now. And we would start roleplaying whenever we are in game because we start upgrading our skills when we practice.

Youness, lets be honest  , cops nowdays dont RP , last time ( 2 days ago) i tried to RP with someone i already know he`s cop and i already know he will go on duty and suspect me , in spite of leting RP go longer and more fun , he went on duty and carjacked me and started shooting ( i dotn wanna say the name of this `` Ranked cop`` + i got a wittness ) , but it`s clear that he wanted $$$ more than Roleplaying , so i agree with you if everyone tried to roleplay it will help to make server better , but i just told you my last experience with a `` ranked cop`` so i want to roleplay he wants DM and money .... and thats why many criminals moved to SA:MP , and thats why when you press TAB you see all blue , im afraid if cops remain acting like they do it will turn to Argo Cops server , i dont say all cops dont RP but 80 percent of all ARPD dont RP , so the solution is to creat a rule that forces everyone to RP ( thats the last option i guess ) .

[Mark]

I've not seen a single roleplay from criminals without them moaning because the cop did this and that. Thinking that everyone has a problem with you and that they will abuse you is a wrong thought, a typical one i'd say.
*In your case the cop had to carjack you (maybe you both were even close each other), maybe he rushed it but everyone makes mistakes, with such client i would not waste time trying to shoot your car because it won't work and my only way to stop your vehicle when you are still NOT moving is carjacking.

Visit this board sometimes http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=663.0
They are roleplaying more than ever (more than it used to be two years ago) and recently freecops are also more involved into such events. Stop thinking one side only, they (Who? I'm still here, many players are still here in IVMP) "moved" to SAMP for lack of roleplay in general, this ain't criminals vs cops roleplay server. Duty is a more interesting job for new comers (They have to be taught by regulars in order to enjoy their stay) and because EVERYONE has in mind that a little roleplay can justify a shootout (Most of them can be avoided), that you can get away because of the desync and the crashes of IVMP client.
I agree that some cops hurry too much on the trigger but that's because they're used to, mainly because you/we criminals do not roleplay back with them. Nothing will improve if we keep doing the same old thing:

>grab a fast car
>speed infront of cops
>become wanted
>if lucky, escape
>if not lucky, pull out your shotgun from somewhere and shoot back at them or fire first (I've seen this in many scenarios, for example the last videos i recorded)

Try to interact with other people, they don't want to? Report them, they're supposed to roleplay (also the so called "cop abusers"). You are not forced to kill someone, use another way if you wanna do that.
Where has our imagination gone? Hang out with your gang, head over a bar with interior and have fun or invite people for a party, tag a turf , roleplay a fireman mission or try to organize an event with roleplay involved , organize a car show and much more can be done by simply typing in the local chat. I feel like i said pretty much everything, feel free to tell me to fuck off now but don't moan when you will have nothing to do and you will feel bored, you could've done better.

[yaz000n]

Youness, lets be honest  , cops nowdays dont RP , last time ( 2 days ago) i tried to RP with someone i already know he`s cop and i already know he will go on duty and suspect me , in spite of leting RP go longer and more fun , he went on duty and carjacked me and started shooting ( i dotn wanna say the name of this `` Ranked cop`` + i got a wittness ) , but it`s clear that he wanted $$$ more than Roleplaying , so i agree with you if everyone tried to roleplay it will help to make server better , but i just told you my last experience with a `` ranked cop`` so i want to roleplay he wants DM and money .... and thats why many criminals moved to SA:MP , and thats why when you press TAB you see all blue , im afraid if cops remain acting like they do it will turn to Argo Cops server , i dont say all cops dont RP but 80 percent of all ARPD dont RP , so the solution is to creat a rule that forces everyone to RP ( thats the last option i guess ) .

Cops are not the problem, Neither Criminals. Cops Always RP and want to do it, But Street law breaking in front of a cop to Get yourself evading a traffic stop is not RP, Its cop baiting , lets be straight.
No need to start saying its ranked or not , its the not the point of this topic, its how to improve.I dont say that cops Always RP, But they wont refuse it, So the RP should not always end as you want, Both sides should agree on a certain scene, but i dont find that a big issue, because i think both sides should not care that much as its for having fun, not who will win. I once had a RP with sole back in the days, he let us jail him, he could have refused it, but he wants it as its more reliable, that point here is fun not Winning or losing. If Criminals Stopped Moaning for a second each time they Get shot down or Jailed , it would be better, Abusing F rapidly,, is one of the known thing between Criminals, not all, but some, You call that RP ? To make it RP, its the you are surrounded by cops and Guns are at you, To stay in RP rules , first thing is to raise your hands, you cant do anything else, if you are out numbered, what some do is, Pull out a  gun and start shooting , or keep Rapidly pressing F or Running for another car, What kind of RP is that, if one of the cops shoot you with his gun while running and you get hurt , Would you stop as you got hit ? i bet no. If its supposed to be RP you should stop as you got shot. I dont say its always gotta be like that , Be creative in the RPs, use imagination, figure out the RP Situation and scene, then act, to have fun.

[Witchking]

what is going to improve the server Are regulars players to be active, to show and teach new players what the server is all about, to play after the argonath rpg vision, Roleplay,freeroam,Duty,rules etc. and ofcourse admins should be active to Guard and watch over that the Rules Being Followed.
But yeah let's Face - it, everyone has  private Life and as admin you are Allowed to go inactive if The  real - life Calls and ofcourse is it reported to the Leaders / managers if that's the case.
And yeah the managers duty is to Check over the admins and help them and Guide them with whatever they need.

But to be accepted as admin because he/she speak alot of languages is not going to happen, Remember that Admins and moderators are carefully Choosen Individually with Different Skills and Personality to fit and make the team stronger.
aswell remember being admin comes with a sacrifice for both the server and for the player itself, the player will not be able to attend in roleplays such as Events as he used to, and often the person taken into the admin team is a strong Player and often a Regular player that will bring Roleplay and act like a Guide on the Server to new players, even if the player don't notice it. aswell server going to loose that if the person is accepted as moderator. admins/mods are at server to work and focus on a job, and duty always comes First.
So let's say this, If you are a strong regular player that Help server improve, and a strong character don't always mean you will be acepted As mod / admin it might even mean the opposite.
So the point is, What that is very important Is Regular active Players to Be online That is the Main key to a Popular Server.
And also moderator applications are open and always looked into and dealt with When a Possible Candidate Passing the Line to the point where we see Potential in that player.

if a Player can't Speak english or understand english or the rules or yeah not be able to fit in, the server might not be as fun i agree, But there is nothing we can do to change that.
So he/she should eather find a way to communicate and understand or find another server.

/witchking

[Kerbe]

To add my few cents, it should be said people roleplay when it suits them. Once a person sees he can profit from a roleplay, he goes for it and tries to keep it serious. However, once the RP turns against him and he finds himself on the "losing" (in quotation marks; as Yazan said, both sides need to reach an agreement and winning/losing should not be a thing), player suddenly starts getting less and less... realistic? Enthusiastic about the RP? He tries to turn it into his favour and if that doesn't work out, he escapes the RP.

What yazan also mentioned is suspects who claim to be roleplaying. Then, when they have 6 shotguns aimed at them at short range, they suddenly use their super powers, dodge all the bullets and run for a car/way out. One example for all, police always take it seriously when there is, let's say, a bomb threat - they keep their distance, they try to negotiate, defuse the bomb. They act as if the bomb EXISTED and was able to kill them. Why, then, can't some players (not only criminals; this happens to everyone who gets a gun pointed in his face) accept that shotguns/other weapons can kill them in the same exact way? Because they don't want to lose. And unless we get rid of this win-or-lose attitude, we won't be able to move forward.

The goal of roleplaying should always be having fun. Not lust for personal gains, rewards, whatever, but fun. Roleplay is rare now, yes. What we see instead are players aimlessly roaming around the city. Dukes PD - MGS - roundabout and back. Where is the point of this? Roleplaying a flat tire from time to time could result in entertainment for police, medics, mechanics and possibly also firefighters, so why not take the "sacrifice" once in a while? What stops us from trying to sell fake medicine, roleplaying a hungry hobo or suicidal granny on her pills? (And yes, I've roleplay all of those at some point.)

Players, especially the older ones, are leaving. One of the reason might be roleplay mentioned above, another the client. It does not offer any room for improvement. We cannot take any leap forward and suddenly come up with a brand new game mode offering dozens of new possibilities. Instead, let's seek fun in what we have. I've never seen anyone roleplaying a truck driver or a delivery man since the script was introduced to the server. Everyone's rushing for money and they forget about player interaction. Personally I've never had more than one shitty car, and at this point my only property is a 25k house. Only that in 4 years on the server. Why? Because I don't give a damn about having 4 cars, businesses, houses. What am I going to do with them? Vast majority of players who own those just use them to speed around, make money and store stuff. Have they ever roleplayed with those properties? Nope. Because greed is just too strong in the server.

Since veterans are leaving, new players don't get a lot of guidance. They are told the basics and then left on their own. So they go and try to do what they think is the most important - get a car, house, money. It is very well possible that the only roleplay they have ever had is a traffic stop. Who's gonna raise the new "generation" of players if not the current one? Admins are pretty busy with rulebreaks on a daily basis. They do their best to advise the players, not just punish them. But they cannot handle it all alone. They need help from regulars.

Institutions such as COL and other government agencies and organisations should have integrating new players into the server as their top priority. LCPD staff, for example, is required to patrol with and educate new police officers who have just joined duty whenever possible. Considering the LCPD is currently the largest active organisation in the server, it is clear that our effort has the desired results. Now imagine how many players and therefore roleplays we could have if EVERYONE did that. Of course it is not possible with every new players... but how can you know if you don't give it a shot?

Upon leaving the server after playing, player should ask himself: "What have I done to make our server better today?" Or: "Did I try to roleplay today?" Small things, minor roleplays on a daily basis, can make a difference. Once individuals get to realise the community is made out of them, then we can make a change.

Kerbe