[Unbanned] Dennis_Soprano banned by [R*]Devin

[Dennis.]

Your in-game name:
Dennis_Soprano

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Falsifying evidences/witchhunting

Admin who banned you:
[R*]Devin

When you were banned:
29/10/2015

Additional notes:
I don't know why I'm banned. But yes, Gvardia might know as one of them sent me a message in facebook(Strange, they knew and I didn't). I just tried to log in and I was banned. I don't remember that I did something wrong. Anyway let me know if I did but don't deny directly, I might have something to say but let me hear first.

This was my last chanse, and as I see I didn't deserve it, but at least let me say some last things refering to that "ban reason".

1-Got tempbanned for Missleading administration/Falsifying thing.
2-Got warned for false reports.

==>Still banned ._.

EDIT: This has been updated.

[Rusty]

You mean the one where you cut out part of a chatlog to make it look like someone intentionally carkilled you when they told you over PM but left out the part where he mentioned it was a accident.  You then sent this to a admin in hope to get this person punished, just like how you recorded a video of supposed DM when infact two people tried to roleplay with you and you got upset and reported them for "DM".  After being told to roleplay with them by a staff member you then just knife one of them to death.

How can one fuck up this after they said they would behave it's only been a few weeks after your unban and this is how you treat good grace?  Better pack camping gear because you will be camping at server door for a very long time.

[Dennis.]

You mean the one where you cut out part of a chatlog to make it look like someone intentionally carkilled you when they told you over PM but left out the part where he mentioned it was a accident.  You then sent this to a admin in hope to get this person punished

A tempban has been issued for this so I can consider it closed case. Anyway we can also disccous this too if you want.

just like how you recorded a video of supposed DM when infact two people tried to roleplay with you and you got upset and reported them for "DM".  After being told to roleplay with them by a staff member you then just knife one of them to death.

We can talk about this. First of all I was in the roof of Soprano bistro when some people approached to me. One of them shouted "Stop right there". I was in a nrg and didn't know to who was directed that shout so I left. A nrg started following me and after some seconds they shooted toward me(damaged bike and my armor) like mad with no reason. I stopped and reported them for DM. After, the other part came and sorrounded me. I paused to prepared the video to send it to Al. When I came, Al allowed the roleplay to continue. I was sorrounded and they ordered me to step off the bike. I did so. One of them opened fire toward me with a weapon type MP5. One of my men had arrived and Pedro Gvardia was threating him. When I got shooted with MP5 I stabbed one of them(Pedro). Defending myself is allowed I think. They threated me and aimed guns toward so it gives me all the right to open fire(shooted too). Maybe I made a mistake, I didn't /me the part of taking the knife out but I had no time to do so, couse "They could have kill me as they already shooted me". Anyway I don't see the reason of banning(another punishment might have worked) me about this.

As for my reports I already got punished(warned) about that.

Full scene has been filmed:
Part 1 ((Can you call this a RP and a proper way to start a kidnap scene?))
Part 2
ON FOCUS Look who shooted first!
Watch it full and think once again, If I was the one who did something bannable.

How can one fuck up this after they said they would behave it's only been a few weeks after your unban and this is how you treat good grace?

Well. I wasted my last chance and for sure I won't be unbanned once again. This make no logic.
Hackers are attacking everyday. We got players with worst attitude ever. People who DM 24/7.... etc. If you see my case a "dangerous" case to keep a veteran away from the server than ok I'm done here. But once again I'm saying, I'm 100 percent sure that I didn't do something to deserve a ban.

I think you just don't want me here or you want me to end up like Paulie/Aiden's case. ((If second one stands than it's Mario's turn. He has a lot of stuff to deal with))

Better pack camping gear because you will be camping at server door for a very long time.

I won't, I got a life to deal with.


This is a videogame and in this server Sopranos are not welcomed at all. I still remember our chat in Lakewood's CB and your words. (You know better)




It's up you now, to allow or decline me from the server. I would like some CL to look fairly in the unban and decide too.

[Rusty]

Shooting like mad? No.  From video they shot a couple times one hit your bike and you.  Hardly deathmatch in any case just a warning shot to get you to stop.

You then pause to report for something so minuscule that it's a waste of our time instead of just playing the game and going along with them, wouldn't have hurt you right?  Maybe you like being sad at such situations and throw around deathmatch excuse to try get out of it.  Only one wrong in the video is you disagreeing with that would make anyone question your judgement.

You want to play the role of tough criminal who is part of well known syndicate?  Then act like one and get eyes on the back of your head because you never know when someone might want to take you off the street.  In all fairness you driving away from two people who are known to be affiliated with a rival faction you must expect them to give chase in hope to catch you and either do one or two things - Have words with you or teach a lesson for being ignorant and passing through controlled neighbourhood where they operate.

I'll ask Devin to check this out since he was the one who banned you anyway so makes no difference if he checked it out or not we all came to the same agreement on banning you.

[Dennis.]

Shooting like mad? No.  From video they shot a couple times one hit your bike and you.  Hardly deathmatch in any case just a warning shot to get you to stop.

I have warned my enemies many times before opening fire and still I got punished for DM. [WS]Peter can approve this. I got my lesson and since then I don't call such ways to start a RP allowed. Anyway.
1 or 2 shoots, that means "shooting".

You then pause to report for something so minuscule that it's a waste of our time instead of just playing the game and going along with them, wouldn't have hurt you right?  Maybe you like being sad at such situations and throw around deathmatch excuse to try get out of it.  Only one wrong in the video is you disagreeing with that would make anyone question your judgement.

Sad? I got killed/kidnaped 100 times. Same I did toward them so it makes no difference. If I get sad or no why does it bother? Deathmatch excuse? I got shooted, since that moment I have all the right to shoot/attack back. I know this from the experience. I was not about to do it if Muddy wasn't going to shoot me.

You want to play the role of tough criminal who is part of well known syndicate?  Then act like one and get eyes on the back of your head because you never know when someone might want to take you off the street.  In all fairness you driving away from two people who are known to be affiliated with a rival faction you must expect them to give chase in hope to catch you and either do one or two things - Have words with you or teach a lesson for being ignorant and passing through controlled neighbourhood where they operate.

Maybe if they let me know the reason they have to kidnap/catch me it could be fine. But they didn't. They just followed and shooted me. I don't know but i don't call this proper RP.
As far as I know "You can't simply attack someone just becouse he is a part of another faction"

I'll ask Devin to check this out since he was the one who banned you anyway so makes no difference if he checked it out or not we all came to the same agreement on banning you.

I want him to clearify me the reason of my ban too, as I'm still not clear. DM or what?

I will be waiting.

Please take this in consideration.

[Rusty]

Ban reason was explained in my first post.  Read it again.

You want people to tell you why they are kidnapping you, that isn't how kidnappers operate.  They don't tell you they just do it and hold you against your will in exchange for ransom or torture. 

Clearly you are sad about them as why else would you record and send such petty actions which amount to nothing and send to a Administrator in hope they got punished.  It wasn't worth the admins time who got involved you could have just played long had a good time and went about your business but no you stopped to complain and then go AFK then when you returned you just knifed one of them. 

There is no "proper" way of roleplaying but if two guys I knew were apart of a rival faction or atleast affiliated told me to stop I'd stop.  I might try run but I know they'd stop me eventually by either chase or disabling my vehicle some way or other.  I also wouldn't tell them "what the fuck" and complain for five minutes about how they deathmatched me because they shot my vehicle then go AFK and report them.  Difference between some people who WANT to roleplay with others and those who want to roleplay but they call out ever minor situation and want to make a point about it.  Which one are you.

[Dennis.]

You want people to tell you why they are kidnapping you, that isn't how kidnappers operate.  They don't tell you they just do it and hold you against your will in exchange for ransom or torture. 

No. But the way they interacted at the first moment doesn't stand.

Clearly you are sad about them as why else would you record and send such petty actions which amount to nothing and send to a Administrator in hope they got punished.  It wasn't worth the admins time who got involved you could have just played long had a good time and went about your business but no you stopped to complain and then go AFK then when you returned you just knifed one of them. 

Rulebreakers needs to get punished that's why I reported. If you think everyone who /report has the will to see someone punished, you're wrong.

I paused for one reason and I let the admin handling the report know via PM(Al). I was sending the video. I didn't simply knifed one of them but I got shooted and I returned it. "Self defending".

There is no "proper" way of roleplaying but if two guys I knew were apart of a rival faction or atleast affiliated told me to stop I'd stop.  I might try run but I know they'd stop me eventually by either chase or disabling my vehicle some way or other.  I also wouldn't tell them "what the fuck" and complain for five minutes about how they deathmatched me because they shot my vehicle then go AFK and report them.  Difference between some people who WANT to roleplay with others and those who want to roleplay but they call out ever minor situation and want to make a point about it.  Which one are you.

Names above their head you mean. No my roleplay vision is above "Player names above the head" and "/groups"? It was first time for me to see them rolling with Gvardia.



I used to report someone and Al was handling the report that's why I delayed the RP. When he allowed the RP to continue, I RPed. Complied with them and asked something (RP isn't only /me). Poor RP or pro RP, I rped. I got shooted and I returned it with same coin.
I don't see my mistake, yet. Ah maybe I could have do something like (( /me slides his knife out...... )) but still I don't see it banable.

[Rusty]

Doesn't stand for you, just because you don't like it doesn't mean they are obligated to tell you why they are kidnapping you.

Rulebreakers need to get punished yes but make sure you report actual rulebreaking and not something that can easily be seen as part of roleplay which you misinterpreted as senseless deathmatching.  Learn the difference and see all perspectives before jumping to such ludicrous assumptions right away. 

Still you haven't touched on the moment with Stivi yet when you cut out the part where he mentioned it was an accident to make him look bad and quite obviously to get him into a spot of trouble.  It's been verified and I have the screens you sent to the Administrator at that time and actual server logs, wonder why you would do such a thing when he told you it was a accident.

[Dennis.]

Doesn't stand for you, just because you don't like it doesn't mean they are obligated to tell you why they are kidnapping you.

... I don't need to know why they are kidnapping me but the way they started it was totally wrong from my point of view. That's what I'm trying to say.

Rulebreakers need to get punished yes but make sure you report actual rulebreaking and not something that can easily be seen as part of roleplay which you misinterpreted as senseless deathmatching.  Learn the difference and see all perspectives before jumping to such ludicrous assumptions right away. 

I saw it "Deathmatching" so I reported. Admin choise if it was or it wasn't. Anyway got warned by the admin for this case of reportings.

Still you haven't touched on the moment with Stivi yet when you cut out the part where he mentioned it was an accident to make him look bad and quite obviously to get him into a spot of trouble.  It's been verified and I have the screens you sent to the Administrator at that time and actual server logs, wonder why you would do such a thing when he told you it was a accident.

I reported two persons for carkill and DBing people on foot. Admin who was handling the reported, didn't see the scene with his eyes and I needed to provide him. I sent the SS where the person you said above, approved the rulebreak from his side and DBers one. For me, It was not immportant if it was accidently or now, It was carkill. I wanted to just provide that he did it, nothing else. Accident or not, is not my matter. I didn't want him punished, I just wanted to fullfill my report. Anyway, I got tempbanned for this case & now I don't understand why we're still continuing this in here when it has been closed since 1 week before.



I hope you understand me.




EDIT: Refering to this unban request, I feel confused about the current case of mine. ((Part 1, Video I stated above))


As for the deathmatch part:
>They followed me shouting to stop(ordering).
>They threated me.
>They damaged my nrg with DB.
>They shooted me right in body with MP5.
Don't I have the right to attack them back and protect myself? NO?

I got a PM from Ivan Gvardia:

Let me ask you one thing. If someone shot at you, he shot 1-2bullets at you witm M5 and stopped, would you be able RPly to just take out knife and stab someone else? Or you would fall on the ground or atleast back off alittle?

A: What about my armor? Or you forgot it? I got shooted in the body and I had armor with me, so...

• I hope you take this in consideration and think about my case once again.

[Devin]

No.

[Dennis.]

No.

Why just a simple "no"? I don't think I did something bannable. I explained everything and I'm still not clear about the ban reason...

Give it a review, please, It might be a missunderstanding. You know me already, when I do a mistake I admit it but when I don't... I don't and I don't have to say false words just for an "unban".

At least tell me what I did wrong?
Have I lied at a singe word of what I wrote above? ((I have posted facts))
Why are my old punishments still being disccoused in the unban appeal, didn't they got closed back in time?

Do you see this as a strong reason to keep me out of the server "forever" or "for a long period of time"? Come on.
Self defending is not allowed anymore?

Looking foward to a understanding from your side and a deal between us, please.



Thanks in advance,
Dennis.


I don't think I'm that rulebreaker, from who you have to take care and keep him banned.

My punishments since June:
1-Ban for aimbot(Since june till this ban I had 0 punishments. Not even a single bannana)
2-Warn for DM((wasn't needed but anyway)) - [GSF]Jov_Weber
3-TB for Missleading Admins. - [GSF]Jov_Weber
4-Warn for false reporting - [GSF]Jov_Weber
5-This ban

[Teddy]

Intentionally doctoring evidence to try and get someone punished is justified enough for a ban. I don't care if you were tempbanned, it should be a perm ban. This is all out wrong and disturbing and yet you sit here and act like you've done nothing wrong. You don't deserve to be here if you can't see that.

[Devin]

Most if not all of the videos I have been sent regarding the reports you submitted are invalid, each time I person tried to interact with you; it seems you rather start recording and drive off without responding to them at all. The person then shoots at you or threatens you and you report them for deathmatching instead of responding.

The rules state you must roleplay with those that interact with you; not run off and totally ignore them and call them rulebreakers. So what if you know a person is going to try kidnap you, then do something about it. And no that does not mean going along and killing them without saying a word because "they would kill you".

[Dennis.]

Intentionally doctoring evidence to try and get someone punished is justified enough for a ban. I don't care if you were tempbanned, it should be a perm ban. This is all out wrong and disturbing and yet you sit here and act like you've done nothing wrong. You don't deserve to be here if you can't see that.

Hello Teddy,

First of all thank you for replying and showing interest at my unban request. Now that I'm thinking it, you're right. But as I said, my intention wasn't that. I didn't want Stivi to get punished at any cost. I just wanted to fullfill my /report. I have told this to the admin handling the report, too. ((Over all, stivi is my IRL buddy))Once again, I though it was not important if accidently or no, I just wanted to provide him that he did "carkill", nothing else. Accidently or not was not my matter and it had to be verified by the admin.
Yes, ...yes I indirectly doctored the evidence, but I was innocent that It was going to be a problem or something like that. This was first time for me to have such a situation. Now I understood that It's wrong and I got tempbanned for that. Since that time I didn't repeat this "doctoring" thing. I learnt from the tempban. This was really a case i was not aware and never heard before about it.

Most if not all of the videos I have been sent regarding the reports you submitted are invalid, each time I person tried to interact with you; it seems you rather start recording and drive off without responding to them at all. The person then shoots at you or threatens you and you report them for deathmatching instead of responding.

The rules state you must roleplay with those that interact with you; not run off and totally ignore them and call them rulebreakers. So what if you know a person is going to try kidnap you, then do something about it. And no that does not mean going along and killing them without saying a word because "they would kill you".

Most of players in the server know how cooperative I'm. Even Gvardias themself. Based on lastest kidnap attempts, in 3/5 I complied or turned the roleplay(in their favor or no - Pro RP or Poor RP, idc). In 2/5 I saw it as a wrong movement from them to start the roleplay so I failed to comply and /report-ed them. Maybe I was wrong but that's how I saw it. Got warned for false reports in-forum/in-game and since then I'm taking care of reports I do and further roleplay scenarios from both sides.
Let's be honest, I can't allow them everytime to kidnap or kill me, I'm not idiot... for sure I have to save my ass. They have to try to get me, but this "try" has to be in a proper way, not just like "/stop & after 3 seconds open fire".




I already got my lessons & now I don't know why this ban was needed.

[Devin]

Taking out half of a log to make it seem like a person was deliberately rulebreaking is not "indirectly" or "accidental".