Russia legalizes gay marriage

[Hidduh]

I do not care for their desires toward same sex life companions.But i do care about the future of the children who would be in the custody of gay marriage couples.

Governments recognizing and allowing same-sex couples to marry does not mean they'll automatically allow them to adopt children. It most often is a completely different topic which comes after the legalization of same-sex marriage. I just find it surprising that you make a comparison with drug addicts, brainwashing and schizophrenia when it comes to same-sex couples adopting a child.

You're - of course - entitled to your own opinion on this matter, but don't go down that road. That is just utter nonsense.

[AK47]

As long as their not allowed to adopt kids, I'm fine with it.

I do not care for their desires toward same sex life companions.But i do care about the future of the children who would be in the custody of gay marriage couples.

Well I hope you two never gets children.

[Huntsman]

LOL

It's now known as FSB. KGB was an agency of USSR. USSR is gone, hence KGB was disbanded.
This was supposed to be a joke topic, yet expanded into gay or not gay discussion.

And for Vincent - you and your bigotry are disgusting. If you really think that these children are better of growing up in orphanages - especially in Eastern Europe - then you're such a bigot that you should be closed and not allowed in public. These children cannot live on their own, usually turn into alcoholics, criminals or addicts once they're let into the world, not to mention that it is no secret that orphanages in the Eastern Bloc are usually subject to child explotation. There are numerous countries which allow same-sex adoption. And guess what - they children grow up happy and in loving care, rather than by bunch of bureaucrats exploiting them.

[Mikal]

What the hell is this topic...

[Vincent_D]

I dont mean to offend anyone or anybodies opinion nor his viewing on the world,Im just sayin if ever would there be a vote on this subject -allowing gay coples to raise children i would vote against it.
You can say anything you want give me as many studies and facts that you want.My opinion on that stays.
I say again i still have nothing against gay people i just dont think they have good parental guiding abilities.

I would like to stop here before this topic goes to hell with a hand basket.

[Sawyer]

What surprises me is that you actually think you're not a bunch of discriminating homophobes.

Well I hope you two never gets children.

I consider myself very open-minded person regarding everything. I personally used to have a close gay friend. I do not treat gays as trash or different from any other human being. But when it comes to this non-sense? Gay couple to adopt a kid? Do you realize what will happen in the kid's life? Growing up calling both of the parents 'dad'?

Love is love, it has no gender. I support gay marriage and all but let's not get too excited about it. I consider it a crime to humanity. It's just against it, it just is. Gays are not meant to have or raise a kid, they were born like that - never forget that.

@Emmett Unjust curses spin against us.

[Huntsman]

I dont mean to offend anyone or anybodies opinion nor his viewing on the world,Im just sayin if ever would there be a vote on this subject -allowing gay coples to raise children i would vote against it.
You can say anything you want give me as many studies and facts that you want.My opinion on that stays.
I say again i still have nothing against gay people i just dont think they have good parental guiding abilities.

I would like to stop here before this topic goes to hell with a hand basket.

So, you want to tell me that you know every gay person personally and can judge their parental abilities?
And even if there was scientific evidence thrown right infront of your eyes that LGBT couples can raise their children just as good or even better, you would still vote against just because?
So pretty much, you are against LGBT.

[Salmonella]

I do not treat gays as trash or different from any other human being.

Oh okay, nevermind me then!

When it comes to this non-sense? Gay couple to adopt a kid? Do you realize what will happen in the kid's life? Growing up calling both of the parents 'dad'?
I consider it a crime to human life. It's just against it, it just is.

Wait what?

[Huntsman]

No Charles, you are the crime against human life..

Anyhow, when Gandalf is viewing a joke topic that turned into a political debate, you know shit's gone mad.
Come on, Gandie, tell us what you think 

[Gandalf]

As 'survivor'of the USSR I can tell that many seem to have forgotten about the free medical care and free quality schooling, the possibilities for village children to get to the highest universities, that every family would be given a house and much more.
Even those claiming to be oppressed 'suffered' all of the above.

That not everything was available and finally the collapse of the system was due to all of this having to be paid for, and with export of oil and gas being the one thing not restricted it just became too expansive to provide everything.
Look at the high tax rates in countries that still try to provide all of this to their citizens like Sweden and the Netherlands, and you will understand it is not easy to keep it up.

Now to the usual misunderstanding of the Russian laws on homosexuality. Contrary to what is often mentioned, there is nothing illegal about being gay in Russia. There are several openly gay artists and also in every other field it is not less accepted as it is in the West.
However there is a difference in what is accepted. Nothing can be done about your secual preference. But a lot can be done about your behaviour. While Russians are prety open about sex andtheir preferences, it is somehting that is in general to be limited to the bedroom.
There are laws prohibiting the explicit sexual propaganda aimed tiwards children, and within these laws the homosexual propaganda has gotten a lot of attention.

Vladimir Putin is not without errors, but he has managed to lead Russia for a long time and got through multiple crises. People are afraid of him because he does not talk a lot, but acts. This is the base of his ongoing popularity, combined with having a leader that is willing to show his face, unlike how things were in the USSR.

I do not care what sexual orentation you have. I do not care what colour you are. I do not care what religion (if any) you have. I do not care if you are male or female. I just treat everyone the same. Which leads to protests of those who feel they are entitled to get preferential treatment because they belong to s group that is 'special'.

This still goes for most Russians.  They are not politically correct. They will not mince their words because someone may take offense. But they are honest in what they tell you.

[Huntsman]

As 'survivor'of the USSR I can tell that many seem to have forgotten about the free medical care and free quality schooling, the possibilities for village children to get to the highest universities, that every family would be given a house and much more.
Even those claiming to be oppressed 'suffered' all of the above.

That not everything was available and finally the collapse of the system was due to all of this having to be paid for, and with export of oil and gas being the one thing not restricted it just became too expansive to provide everything.
Look at the high tax rates in countries that still try to provide all of this to their citizens like Sweden and the Netherlands, and you will understand it is not easy to keep it up.

Now to the usual misunderstanding of the Russian laws on homosexuality. Contrary to what is often mentioned, there is nothing illegal about being gay in Russia. There are several openly gay artists and also in every other field it is not less accepted as it is in the West.
However there is a difference in what is accepted. Nothing can be done about your secual preference. But a lot can be done about your behaviour. While Russians are prety open about sex andtheir preferences, it is somehting that is in general to be limited to the bedroom.
There are laws prohibiting the explicit sexual propaganda aimed tiwards children, and within these laws the homosexual propaganda has gotten a lot of attention.

Vladimir Putin is not without errors, but he has managed to lead Russia for a long time and got through multiple crises. People are afraid of him because he does not talk a lot, but acts. This is the base of his ongoing popularity, combined with having a leader that is willing to show his face, unlike how things were in the USSR.

I do not care what sexual orentation you have. I do not care what colour you are. I do not care what religion (if any) you have. I do not care if you are male or female. I just treat everyone the same. Which leads to protests of those who feel they are entitled to get preferential treatment because they belong to s group that is 'special'.

This still goes for most Russians.  They are not politically correct. They will not mince their words because someone may take offense. But they are honest in what they tell you.

I still don't understand how did this topic get to this.

[Sawyer]

Wait what?

What's so hard to understand? I do not want gays to raise a kid. Let's overlook the fact that they are against the mother nature and abnormal as we all are afterall considering that most of the men buttfuck their girlfriends/wives - that's abnormal itself, no?

Right. My point was that there's a reason that men are not able to become pregnant. I accept that you have different tastes, but do NOT go spread it to a kid.

No Charles, you are the crime against human life..

Right. 

You all sound cool and all and oh yeah yeah we support gay marriages to have kids, yeh why not... What if your own child adopts a kid with another man? What happens then? I'll f**cking tell you what happens. You going on saying oh yeah yeah I only wish my child to be happy but yet when you go with your wife to your bed you are crying to death.

[Gandalf]

I still don't understand how did this topic get to this.

Guess that is something nobody can help you with.

[Vincent_D]

Anyhow, when Gandalf is viewing a joke topic that turned into a political debate, you know shit's gone mad.
Come on, Gandie, tell us what you think 

The content of this topic is no joking matter

[Salmonella]

What's so hard to understand?

It's just that you're directly contradicting yourself.


Gandalf is right in that it's not illegal, it's just that the laws on 'propaganda' are pretty vague and often interpreted in multiple way by those enforcing them. This, combined with what I believe is a certain attitude towards homosexuals, ultimately leads to all the conflicts on the subject of homosexuality in Russia being reported.

The same kind of thing can be said for the situation in the USSR. Things were hardly centralised and I think life in Moscow would've been much more pleasant than say, life in Hungary or Georgia. In essence the idea was a good one, it's just that the Soviet way of executing it met with varied results through the decades and was hardly consistent across the entire union, which in their defence is of course extremely hard for such a huge territory.