PM is RP if YOU MAKE it RP

[Ramo_Hawk]

Exactly this. Our other solution is to remove PM, do you like that solution better?

How about do not remove PM and still leave it how it always was. It was always like that, those who actually roleplay have a basic knowledge not to use PM for roleplay. PM is strictly OOC even if Argonath has some sort of vision against it. You can use PM for whispers and such, that is fine, or giving an order (Using is as some sort of a radio specifically to that person), but overall it isn't a roleplay tool and whatever and whoever I speak with via /pm, I refuse for it to be used against me. Whatever is said in PM is strictly private between those people and no one should use PM as a roleplay method, sorry.

[Teddy]

no one should use PM as a roleplay method, sorry.

We don't disagree but we don't see a way to positively counter this. You say you want PMs to be private, the only way we can stop people doing this is to allow admins to read PMs. I don't think this is a solution you want either. We don't have a lot of options here... you must be able to understand that.

[Kostas]

PM is many times used as a way to privatelly whisper to someone (/w) is too public. So sorry, but /pm should be used as a roleplay method some times. Anyway, it's a logical change.

[Manoni]

PM is many times used as a way to privatelly whisper to someone (/w) is too public. So sorry, but /pm should be used as a roleplay method some times. Anyway, it's a logical change.

Please explain under what circumstances /pm can be used for a RP that can't be done with /w /L /sms /call or /cb.

[Luis.]

PMs CANNOT be used for roleplay. I'm not gonna state my reasons, since they have been pretty much posted above. In another hand, I would suggest transforming PMs into SMS. So, when someone sends a text to anyone, a message would appear in the local chat like "*player name* just sent a SMS* or something like that.

[Dizzy.]

PMs CANNOT be used for roleplay. I'm not gonna state my reasons, since they have been pretty much posted above. In another hand, I would suggest transforming PMs into SMS. So, when someone sends a text to anyone, a message would appear in the local chat like "*player name* just sent a SMS* or something like that.

so i think you suggesting to remove PMs because we already can send SMS by using a phone.

[Ramo_Hawk]

We don't disagree but we don't see a way to positively counter this. You say you want PMs to be private, the only way we can stop people doing this is to allow admins to read PMs. I don't think this is a solution you want either. We don't have a lot of options here... you must be able to understand that.

Admins shouldn't be given the possibility to read PMs because if that is given, might aswell remove PMs overall considering they're no longer private. And on the other hand, how come its now a big fuss, some people used the method of selling drugs via pm since the creation of the server and its now a big problem. What I propose is leave everything how it is and leave it up to the players if they actually want to roleplay buying/selling drugs and so on. Some people can't even roleplay the simplest basic things, even more when it comes to drugs (I'm assuming this entire argument is mostly because of drugs).

[Que]

Haha what the fuck..

[Teddy]

Admins shouldn't be given the possibility to read PMs because if that is given, might aswell remove PMs overall considering they're no longer private. And on the other hand, how come its now a big fuss, some people used the method of selling drugs via pm since the creation of the server and its now a big problem. What I propose is leave everything how it is and leave it up to the players if they actually want to roleplay buying/selling drugs and so on. Some people can't even roleplay the simplest basic things, even more when it comes to drugs (I'm assuming this entire argument is mostly because of drugs).

The problem is people are taking advantage of it and using PM to ruin the RP possibility of others. We're talking mostly about actionable evidence obtained by law enforcement parties. As it stands, recorded phone calls, shown text messages, and recordings of CB and group messages are all applicable. Everyone knows this. Some of you decide to use PM to arrange meetings then cry when people share that for RP purposes (ironic right?) in addition they are also prohibited from using it in court.

So the solution to not do anything about it infact is breaking the rules; as it ruins RP for some which is against the rules. Our solutions are:

1) Do what we're doing and consider it RP IF the conversation is of RP subject matter.
2) Give administration the ability to eavesdrop on PMs. You can argue privacy but fun fact, we have no privacy policy. We have the full authority to see all communications on the server.
3) We entirely disable private messaging.
4) ??? (We're open to suggestions)

[Salmonella]

1) Do what we're doing and consider it RP IF the conversation is of RP subject matter.
2) Give administration the ability to eavesdrop on PMs. You can argue privacy but fun fact, we have no privacy policy. We have the full authority to see all communications on the server.
3) We entirely disable private messaging.
4) ??? (We're open to suggestions)

4. Don't overcomplicate things and stop seeing problems where there really are none. This goes for everyone who takes the game too seriously and as a result stop being rational about things like this.

Option 2 seems too much and would imply the administration has to monitor every possible roleplay scenario involving two groups and monitor their communcations to ensure everyone is communicating via roleplay methods, which quite frankly seems a little too soviet for me.

Option 1 seems to be the most realistic of them but I really can't see the problem we're having here. Some people are complaining about backup being called through PM, others want to use PM as court evidence and then there's those who just can't stand the thought of people roleplaying in anything other than /l.

To think we're even discussing option 3 makes me facepalm...

I can see a lot of people who say things like ''PM cannot be used for RP'' just because of personal reasons or reasons for their group, or have to say it because their group leader tells them to and use the banner ''for reasons stated above'' to justify this. Would be nice if people have some more input to offer than that.

[Cofiliano]

Haha what the fuck..

[Kostas]

Please explain under what circumstances /pm can be used for a RP that can't be done with /w /L /sms /call or /cb.

When I'm in a public place with a friend, and want to tell him something RP-wise in private.
/w is too public
/l is way too public
/sms Well I wouldn't text him, would I?
/call People around me will hear me talking, too public.
/cb I may not be in a cb where it's only the two of us.

* Kostas leans close to Manoni whispering something.

/pm XX Yoloswaggins came by last night. He wants to see you.


By the way Teddy, option one sounds fine with me... What could possibly be wrong with it? Don't pm people that you don't trust. And if anyone abuses this in any possible way, then fuck him.

[Bruce.]

Just let /pm be like it is. Some people use it as a part of a roleplay scene and some don't.

[Manoni]

@Kostas Oh, so now you can't whisper something to someone else with the command that is specifically made for /w(hisper)s because it's too public.

Fuck it mate. Let's roleplay telepathy.

[eymas]

Fuck it mate. Let's roleplay telepathy.

But that would be /pm, right 

Anyway. My opinion on this is pretty much option 1 from Teddy. We shouldn't change anything on the surface, and have its function remain untouched.
It's when it is used for roleplay that we can consider it so.