PM is RP if YOU MAKE it RP

[Bruce.]

@Kostas Oh, so now you can't whisper something to someone else with the command that is specifically made for /w(hisper)s because it's too public.

There's nothing wrong using /pm as a whisper roleplay, I always use that in roleplays so some things can be more private.

[Kaze]

Since PM is now considered RP and admins have got access to our PM's, simply deal with the changes and use an external source to send PRIVATE messages. Don't understand the commotion tbh. #TeamDarwinism

External Sources:
Skype
Oovoo
Facebook chat (make a seperate gaming account?)
TS (not sure if they can read your PM's too)
The group's forum itself!? (wshadows.com / cmnation.net)
PSN (iOS app)

and countless of other apps


No one is stopping you from turning off your PM's. (That's what I'll be doing from now on)

[Bruce.]

Since PM is now considered RP and admins have got access to our PM's

Only managers have access to that.

[Devin]

Since PM is now considered RP and admins have got access to our PM's, simply deal with the changes and use an external source to send PRIVATE messages. Don't understand the commotion tbh. #TeamDarwinism

External Sources:
Skype
Oovoo
Facebook chat (make a seperate gaming account?)
TS (not sure if they can read your PM's too)
The group's forum itself!? (wshadows.com / cmnation.net)
PSN (iOS app)

and countless of other apps


No one is stopping you from turning off your PM's. (That's what I'll be doing from now on)

If only you had bothered reading before posting. Admins do not have access to read PMs.

[Kaze]

By admin I mean anyone on /admins. When I see a police officer in real life I call him a police offer I don't give two shits if he's a sergeant/lieutenant/chief he's still a damn police officer 

Apologies for mix up of my personal definitions.

[Devin]

By admin I mean anyone on /admins. When I see a police officer in real life I call him a police offer I don't give two shits if he's a sergeant/lieutenant/chief he's still a damn police officer 

Apologies for mix up of my personal definitions.

All of those listed on /admins do not have access to see PM conversations. Only HQ members do.

[Chase]

I don't think you guys are understanding what Teddy is saying.

- He is not saying PM is considered RP at all times
- He is not saying PM should not be used

He IS saying that IF you use PM for RP purposes, then it WILL NOT protect you from RP events such as evidence for court cases and such.

It becomes a form of RP if both parties make it RP.

If you are worried about your privacy being snooped on by management then use skype, teamspeak, or w/e.
But keep in mind that moderators and admins can NOT read your PMs. Only Managers+ IIRC.

Also keep in mind that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Management monitor PMs and logs only when they suspect rulebreaking is going on. It's not like they will use server logs for RP matters such as court cases. That's too OP.

[Mikro]

What is the real problem guys? PM almost stays as it is now, Teddy only stated that if you use it for RP purposes, it MAY be used as evidence or whatever.

For this to work the PM you send has to be either screened by the sender OR the receiver. One of them need to share it. So if you don't trust the other in RP, why do (for example) an illegal deal with him anyways? Besides, for it to be used as evidence in court, a judge also needs to consider it as valid RP. On top of that PM will never be used as only evidence, rather as a complement.

[Kostas]

@Kostas Oh, so now you can't whisper something to someone else with the command that is specifically made for /w(hisper)s because it's too public.

Fuck it mate. Let's roleplay telepathy.

Do you have any idea how far /w can be heard? /w may work as intented when you are in a big place that isn't crowded, but when you are in a small bar, it sometimes takes half the interior. When I whisper in your ear, I expect no one but you and maybe someone right near us to hear it. What's so weird about this? @Manoni

"Fuck it mate. Let's roleplay telepathy."

[MrTony]

The only real big issue I see with PM is when for example you're being robbed or kidnapped and you spam PM or /cb your friends "OOO EMM GEE PLS HALP ME I'M BEING ROBBED". This is the only thing that bothers me. To this I'd say something like, when you get robbed or kidnapped, the person who's kidnapping you tells you to turn your PM or CB off and when you do it it's actually visible to them. What do you guys think?

[Stivi]

The only real big issue I see with PM is when for example you're being robbed or kidnapped and you spam PM or /cb your friends "OOO EMM GEE PLS HALP ME I'M BEING ROBBED". This is the only thing that bothers me. To this I'd say something like, when you get robbed or kidnapped, the person who's kidnapping you tells you to turn your PM or CB off and when you do it it's actually visible to them. What do you guys think?

This is kinda off-topic, but are we allowed to /report someone for calling his friends over /pm and /cb without RPing anything now that PM is ( not always ) RP?

[Devin]

I don't think you guys are understanding what Teddy is saying.

- He is not saying PM is considered RP at all times
- He is not saying PM should not be used

He IS saying that IF you use PM for RP purposes, then it WILL NOT protect you from RP events such as evidence for court cases and such.

It becomes a form of RP if both parties make it RP.

If you are worried about your privacy being snooped on by management then use skype, teamspeak, or w/e.
But keep in mind that moderators and admins can NOT read your PMs. Only Managers+ IIRC.

Also keep in mind that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Management monitor PMs and logs only when they suspect rulebreaking is going on. It's not like they will use server logs for RP matters such as court cases. That's too OP.

What is the real problem guys? PM almost stays as it is now, Teddy only stated that if you use it for RP purposes, it MAY be used as evidence or whatever.

For this to work the PM you send has to be either screened by the sender OR the receiver. One of them need to share it. So if you don't trust the other in RP, why do (for example) an illegal deal with him anyways? Besides, for it to be used as evidence in court, a judge also needs to consider it as valid RP. On top of that PM will never be used as only evidence, rather as a complement.

These two posts are what people should pay attention to.

[Johan_S]

I don't think you guys are understanding what Teddy is saying.

- He is not saying PM is considered RP at all times
- He is not saying PM should not be used

He IS saying that IF you use PM for RP purposes, then it WILL NOT protect you from RP events such as evidence for court cases and such.

It becomes a form of RP if both parties make it RP.

If you are worried about your privacy being snooped on by management then use skype, teamspeak, or w/e.
But keep in mind that moderators and admins can NOT read your PMs. Only Managers+ IIRC.

Also keep in mind that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Management monitor PMs and logs only when they suspect rulebreaking is going on. It's not like they will use server logs for RP matters such as court cases. That's too OP.

Very well explained Chase.

[Teddy]

What is the real problem guys? PM almost stays as it is now, Teddy only stated that if you use it for RP purposes, it MAY be used as evidence or whatever.

For this to work the PM you send has to be either screened by the sender OR the receiver. One of them need to share it. So if you don't trust the other in RP, why do (for example) an illegal deal with him anyways? Besides, for it to be used as evidence in court, a judge also needs to consider it as valid RP. On top of that PM will never be used as only evidence, rather as a complement.

This is spot on. I also like the factor of trust added in here.

I don't think you guys are understanding what Teddy is saying.

- He is not saying PM is considered RP at all times
- He is not saying PM should not be used

He IS saying that IF you use PM for RP purposes, then it WILL NOT protect you from RP events such as evidence for court cases and such.

It becomes a form of RP if both parties make it RP.

If you are worried about your privacy being snooped on by management then use skype, teamspeak, or w/e.
But keep in mind that moderators and admins can NOT read your PMs. Only Managers+ IIRC.

Also keep in mind that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Management monitor PMs and logs only when they suspect rulebreaking is going on. It's not like they will use server logs for RP matters such as court cases. That's too OP.

This is also spot on.

[Teddy]

This is kinda off-topic, but are we allowed to /report someone for calling his friends over /pm and /cb without RPing anything now that PM is ( not always ) RP?

As of right now, we have nothing against it. PM was never considered RP before. Now it CAN BE if someone takes RP into PM.

Regarding whispers, well we can modify /w to be either /w hey nigga or something or be something like /w 2 I can smell you. This would mean rather than using /pm to whisper, you can use the actual whisper command that'll automatically be like "[Rstar]Devin whispers to Rusty.". This I believe would solve the use of PM in this RP aspect.

I would also encourage anyone who gets PMs like "Do you buy drugs" to respond to these people and get them to change. Respond with like, "I don't buy drugs from people who can't RP" or something along the lines to encourage them to use RP channels to perform RP. Remember, BOTH parties are required to make a PM considered RP. Just because someone sends you a message in RP over PM, doesn't mean it's entirely RP. If you don't act on it, or respond to it RPly then it's not RP.