PM is RP if YOU MAKE it RP

[Arslan]

Anyone who roleplays through PM is an idiot (excuse my french) who haven't understood the point of roleplay and in-game interactions, and should be taught in one way or another rather than making it okay to continue on with it.

Forbid people from sending PM's regarding drug or gamble offers by disallowing it. If it's not allowed, people will eventually use phones or find the person where he/she is.
The only quite valid reason to use PM in a roleplay situation might be when you whisper something.

No one cares about roleplay. This is Argonath. Its about winning a roleplay and not getting caught at all cost. The person who's mostly against this in this topic is the only person I've caught using PM to evade RP. And the person who ensures he dies whenever he's in a police RP so he doesn't get caught. He publicly admits this and is not ashamed of it.

[Dennis.]

Agreed with Que.

[Ivan_MC]

No one cares about roleplay. This is Argonath. Its about winning a roleplay and not getting caught at all cost. The person who's mostly against this in this topic is the only person I've caught using PM to evade RP. And the person who ensures he dies whenever he's in a police RP so he doesn't get caught. He publicly admits this and is not ashamed of it.

Can you sit on your chair irl without moving left/right or up/down ?

[Arslan]

Can you sit on your chair irl without moving left/right or up/down ?

Did I hit a nerve? Sorry.

[LeHott]

PM freedom is great if used correctly.

Good examples of using PM in RP
#1
/pm 1 Ehh, phone bugged. Let's just do the conversation here.
/pm 1 Hello, this is Leon.

#2
A: /pm 1 Getting kidnapped :|
B: /pm 2 Shit. Find an RP way of calling me, okay?
A: /me puts his hands together and starts praying silently
A: /em If you were inspecting me closely you'd realize that I was actually whispering in my wristwatch.
A: /pm 1 Did it. Come to Santa Marina Beach, at the lighthouse.


Bad example:

#1
A: /pm 1 Getting kidnapped at SMB, they took away my phone, my gun, everything..
B: Coming with an M4. Hang on.

In good example #2 person A's phone was perhaps confiscated and he had to use his imagination to create another way of communicating with his friend.

[Mikro]

PM freedom is great if used correctly.

Good examples of using PM in RP
#1
/pm 1 Ehh, phone bugged. Let's just do the conversation here.
/pm 1 Hello, this is Leon.

#2
A: /pm 1 Getting kidnapped :|
B: /pm 2 Shit. Find an RP way of calling me, okay?
A: /me puts his hands together and starts praying silently
A: /em If you were inspecting me closely you'd realize that I was actually whispering in my wristwatch.
A: /pm 1 Did it. Come to Santa Marina Beach, at the lighthouse.


Bad example:

#1
A: /pm 1 Getting kidnapped at SMB, they took away my phone, my gun, everything..
B: Coming with an M4. Hang on.

In good example #2 person A's phone was perhaps confiscated and he had to use his imagination to create another way of communicating with his friend.

+1
This is indeed a great example of what our freedom in Argonath has to offer. Sadly not all people use it to its full extend while it can provide extremely great RPs for both sides.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Forbid people from sending PM's regarding drug or gamble offers by disallowing it. If it's not allowed, people will eventually use phones or find the person where he/she is.
The only quite valid reason to use PM in a roleplay situation might be when you whisper something.

Indeed.

[Teddy]

You realize if we see the solution of intervention for using PMs for RP, we need a way for admins to read those PMs. If this is really what you want, the changes can be implemented within minutes.

[Ramo_Hawk]

You realize if we see the solution of intervention for using PMs for RP, we need a way for admins to read those PMs. If this is really what you want, the changes can be implemented within minutes.

If you're giving the freedom not to hand over PM chat logs might as well leave shit how it is. And if you don't give us the freedom not to hand it over, might as well let admins read PMs. You got that clash.

[Teddy]

If you're giving the freedom not to hand over PM chat logs might as well leave shit how it is. And if you don't give us the freedom not to hand it over, might as well let admins read PMs. You got that clash.

What do you mean handing it over? you are never forced to turn over PM chat logs.

[Mikal]

I think this whole thing is hilarious, what is Argonath coming to?

[Ramo_Hawk]

What do you mean handing it over? you are never forced to turn over PM chat logs.

Exactly. So if they don't want to RP and use /pm, it won't matter if you make PM as RP if they won't hand it over.

[Teddy]

Exactly. So if they don't want to RP and use /pm, it won't matter if you make PM as RP if they won't hand it over.

I don't think you understand to be honest. It's the same as phone, if you call someone and they record it they can use it in RP. It's not like if someone knows you are talking about RP shit in PM you are now obligated to turn it over. It's only that PM can be used in RP if people use it for RP.

This isn't something we wanted. You, the community, abused it. You, the community, took advantage. This has constantly been a problem. We have to ruin good things, prevent doing good things, simply because of the potential for people to misuse. You may think we're able to sit here and review this shit endlessly, but we do have lives. We cannot sit here and look over every single PM and back track with bans. We either need a proactive solution, or some sort of solution that PREVENTS using PM* to circumvent RP information, details, or actions from being usable in an RP environment.

[Stivi]

Disable /pm cmd for these people. This way, we're nlt stopping it, we're givong those who use it more freedom to keep using it.

[Kostas]

So the problem is that ... administrators can't do their thing, without access to the pm logs? I'm confused. Since when do admin do log checks on reports? Managers have access to PMs, that's enough. If a random spectating admin doesn't see them, then big deal.