Food for thought

[Devin]

Who would ever have thought Argonath is a roleplay server?
We do hope people can understand the difference between killing other groups members day in and day out for little reasons like "He was in my town" or "he killed my family member" but it's evident it is not the case.

Some call it roleplay whilst others just do it to kill others. Is it time for group bans to be implemented where an entire groups members get removed from the server as the differentiation between roleplay and killing is lost?
Why must most if not all of these roleplay situations between groups turn into a shootout with the other group or even cops? Is that the only thing people know nowadays?

Generally a mafia wouldn't want cops interfering in their matters but here it seems the only reason to kill other groups members is to get into a chase with either another group or police.

[Paco]

Sad it has become like this really..

[psyron]

yes group ban sounds like a plan

[Dizzy.]

yeah that happens day after day, sometimes people don't try even to rp all they do is ''/me takes out his glock'' and then he start shooting like a maniac. it's really annoying.

[Chase]

Is it time for group bans to be implemented where an entire groups members get removed from the server as the differentiation between roleplay and killing is lost?

It's not just time, it's long overdue...

[CharlieKasper]

Agreed.

I wouldn't call a group a mafia who go to an enemy's territory just to provoke and piss on them attracting massive police attention. It's a riot mob.

But a whole group ban is far fetched. There are some loyal to a group who promote healthy roleplay. They may not even know what happened in game but suddenly get banned on logging in. Banning everyone involved in the scene, I completely support.

[Spike.]

Agreed. Mafia's going to an enemy's territory just to piss on them attracting massive police attention. I wouldn't even call it a mafia. It's a riot mob.

Indeed.

[Dennis.]

Agreed.

[Pedro.]

I agree but still laughed with some hipocricy coming from the groups themselves.

[Johan_S]

Who would ever have thought Argonath is a roleplay server?

Me.

We do hope people can understand the difference between killing other groups members day in and day out for little reasons like "He was in my town" or "he killed my family member".

This is completely against Argonathian server rules. And everyone who use simplest pathetic reasons for shoutouts must be punished, and who's not punished yet must start the countdown.

Some call it roleplay whilst others just do it to kill others.

No, it's not roleplay. Below is the quote from Teddy:

We need to see more player-to-player interaction before engaging. There should never be an instance where you roll up and are shooting within a couple of seconds for entirely new situations. Interactions also need to have content, context, and purpose. No more of this bullshit, we're enemies so I'll give you 3 seconds to do something or I'll kill you. No more of this do this or die. You need to create opportunity for the RP interaction to expand and go either way. You need to accept RP will not always end in your favor. You need to accept sometimes you will lose.

Which means: Everyone which diverges that must be punished exactly how the players who are punished previously.

Is it time for group bans to be implemented where an entire groups members get removed from the server as the differentiation between roleplay and killing is lost?

If an entire group is involved in such activity against rules, yes, group bans will solve this.

Why must most if not all of these roleplay situations between groups turn into a shootout with the other group or even cops?

Because peoples got nothing to lose, they die, they re-spawn somewhere else. So this is being used as strategy to get caught the other group members banned lately. Since some feel that they got nice backup when it comes to admin judgement perspective wise.

Is that the only thing people know nowadays?

No, it's not the only thing. But it's the only thing that concerns you and everyone. Since it's against the rules. A payer can spend 8 hours playing, only 1 minute in this situation label him into this topic.

Generally a mafia wouldn't want cops interfering in their matters but here it seems the only reason to kill other groups members is to get into a chase with either another group or police.

No Mafia or criminal groups needs cops. But this problem belong to polices. It's said before when orange dot's were removed that cops won't interact with criminal activities if they don't have roleplay report of the criminal activity. But this is another prof that cops do nothing but just follow criminals, typical CNR format.

Agreed.

I wouldn't call a group a mafia who go to an enemy's territory just to provoke and piss on them attracting massive police attention. It's a riot mob.

But a whole group ban is far fetched. There are some loyal to a group who promote healthy roleplay. They may not even know what happened in game but suddenly get banned on logging in. Banning everyone involved in the scene, I completely support.

Unfortunately I witnessed a case today where your guys were abused so heavily that caused a bad feeling to everyone who saw that ugly scene in flint county. @Gnb_22 can confirm what i'm saying: that not one cares to fight and be death-matched but even if you've done the crime in Bayside without any one present, a cop wil come after few minutes to shot you down.


http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=111398.0

Similar post was done before from Devin, which applied and resulted in removal of status of Soprano Family, and plenty punishments to its members. So just follow those rules and earse everyone to step on it.

I agree but still laughed with some hipocricy coming from the groups themselves.

Likewise.

[Mikal]

The server couldn't be any more freeroam these days, it's most of the time hard not to have a 'confrontation' that doesn't turn into a shootout, for example a day or two ago FLA confronted S****** at GS10 in Flint County, we tried to talk but they just decided to walk round and round in circles without speaking a single word, how are you meant to have RP in a situation like that? One side might want to RP, but the other does not, and the result of that is both sides shooting.

It isn't just criminal groups either, the extreme lack of RP from law enforcement which are 'official' groups is pathetic, their only goal seems to be kill, kill, kill, next kill, from constant Hydra's to cars full of SWAT/cops drive-bying everything that moves, it is pathetic, the fact that they get everything for free now has pretty much secured the idea for them that they are only here to kill, for example, 2 days ago at Svensson farm, I handed Hubbe a shotgun, I was instantly suspected for "weapon dealing" without a single word and then riddled with bullets as the entire SAPD poured into Flint County drive bying and shooting, everyone in our group (who were at the time trying to organise some RP) were killed, yes they probably shot in my defence, but law enforcement should be trying to avoid shootouts, not directly starting them.

Something big needs to be done to change the way that this server is heading.

[Gnb_22]

Unfortunately I witnessed a case today where your guys were abused so heavily that caused a bad feeling to everyone who saw that ugly scene in flint county. @Gnb_22 can confirm what i'm saying: that not one cares to fight and be death-matched but even if you've done the crime in Bayside without any one present, a cop wil come after few minutes to shot you down.

Ummmmm what ? 

I what I remember is that we tried initiating RP with one of your guys and two other people from your camp started blazing guns. Please don't start a group argument here. If you live in a glasshouse please don't throw stones.

[Johan_S]

I what I remember is that we tried initiating RP with one of your guys and two other people from your camp started blazing guns.

Hmm, im speaking about corleones being shot from cops in middle of conversation, in flint county, however. And no, im not starting group arguments, and even if i will speak with facts and evidences if do, and clearly not here.

The server couldn't be any more freeroam these days, it's most of the time hard not to have a 'confrontation' that doesn't turn into a shootout, for example a day or two ago FLA confronted S****** at GS10 in Flint County, we tried to talk but they just decided to walk round and round in circles without speaking a single word, how are you meant to have RP in a situation like that? One side might want to RP, but the other does not, and the result of that is both sides shooting.

Starting any blame game won't solve this, being flexible to the situation which you caught yourself into it's your own problem to solve. Because the ones which were involved in that situation might say the same thing that you said but not in your favor. Criminal world is very taught to be dealing with.

Devin said clearly above:

We do hope people can understand the difference between killing other groups members day in and day out for little reasons like "He was in my town" or "he killed my family member"

Might look like reasons but are not reasons to start any shit.

So what's the real problem is the way of the interactions and the "reasons" which are not strong enough to provoke shootouts. Mostly are used as excuses not reasons. And are pathetic.

[Devin]

Should we have a gun-free December to see if the roots of roleplay still exist within the server? You don't need a gun to kill someone or even to roleplay.

[Johan_S]

Should we have a gun-free December to see if the roots of roleplay still exist within the server? You don't need a gun to kill someone or even to roleplay.

AFAIK, cops got free few weapons, so this is nothing new.