Why can't we achieve greatness?

[Teddy]

This is something I've been pondering for a bit of time now and it's really hard to just slap the blame down on to the community. But being practical there is a lot of good ideas we have, and you have had that we simply cannot do because of one simple fact: fucking useless trolls and abusers. With every system it seems we develop, we spend more time writing code to prevent abuse, detect abuse, and logging systems to ensure we can prove abuse than we do actual functionality in the systems. I bring this up because I want RS5.2 to be something different, something well... amazing and based on tester feedback it's generally well appreciated even though it's in an incomplete stage. So many ideas I've looked at and thought "Wow, this would actually be good" but within a few minutes my mind is flooded with all the ways it can and WILL be abused.

Don't think it's an issue? Look at Trucking for example, minor bug as soon as one person found it dozens and dozens of people were using it for gain and only one single person months later decided to properly report it to the development team. So this idea isn't baseless in terms of evidence from our community history.

What needs to change? That's the thing. Either the community as a whole has to want and make change or nothing changes and we continue to stun progress over childish behaviors. The choice is really yours, do you want greatness or do you want merely "good". I'll leave that up to you.

[TiMoN]

Don't ban bug abusers instantly, fully drain their money out, no exceptions. People only care about their money and will eventually behave when they see admin fines being handed out regularly.

[Luke]

Punish the ones who abuse it simple enough pretty much like a child, if someone finds a flaw and abuses it, then they can be removed from the server and all their assets and cash, more and more people do it more and more people get removed, simple enough they will learn, I have never believed in punishing a whole community over some idiots who want to abuse it. Stricter punishments should be brought in, simple as, those who are found to be doing it will be dealt with and eventually everyone will come to a point where they thing "shit I could be banned for this" and think twice, if you abuse such things then hey ho buddy you deserve to be removed.

tl;dr: for abuse of trucking for a extra couple of bucks, pay the price have a lovely ban, all your money and stuff removed, they will soon learn.

[Teddy]

Don't ban bug abusers instantly, fully drain their money out, no exceptions. People only care about their money and will eventually behave when they see admin fines being handed out regularly.

We've actually been considering using administrative fines as punishment but it just seems a bit drastic. It's also about the fact that we don't always catch abuse. As we try to think of all the possible ways a system can be abused, we can't think of everything and that alone leaves possibility for exploit.

[Luke]

We've actually been considering using administrative fines as punishment but it just seems a bit drastic. It's also about the fact that we don't always catch abuse. As we try to think of all the possible ways a system can be abused, we can't think of everything and that alone leaves possibility for exploit.

Thing is people always go back to it, they will abuse it once and then their low IQ will lead them to go back and do it again in the future, as they say criminals always return to the crime scene.

[Teddy]

Thing is people always go back to it, they will abuse it once and then their low IQ will lead them to go back and do it again in the future, as they say criminals always return to the crime scene.

Doesn't mean we'll always catch it. We would've never caught the trucking incident if someone didn't report the specifics. Most of us developers and HQ members don't get much time in-game so the chances of us discovering it are low. While we do regular log checks, there's millions of lines of logs produced every day as we legitimately have to log everything due to this mentality.

[Fuzzy]

Maybe reward people who report bugs that could be abused for personal gain?

[Luke]

Maybe reward people who report bugs that could be abused for personal gain?

Indeed, its a shame that people seem to be roped by the sheer fact of money, but if it causes stuff like this to be fixed then hey-ho give it a try.

[TiMoN]

Reward those who report critical bugs and those who snitch on those bugs' abusers.

We've actually been considering using administrative fines as punishment but it just seems a bit drastic. It's also about the fact that we don't always catch abuse. As we try to think of all the possible ways a system can be abused, we can't think of everything and that alone leaves possibility for exploit.

As I said, a couple of fines here and there and people will start behaving accordingly, fines should only be for money-related matters such as scamming in legal deals, bug exploiting and such, not for DM/carjacking/insulting.

[Kostas]

I do agree with the points. But I do also like how all of the blame is on the players....

[Fuzzy]

I do agree with the points. But I do also like how all of the blame is on the players....

Who should it be on for then? There's no extensive team for beta testing and not that much time either. And even if there was, some bugs probably would still make it through to the final product.

[Teddy]

I do agree with the points. But I do also like how all of the blame is on the players....

I'm sorry but how is it not? HQ and Developers didn't go around abusing the trucking script.... nor any other bug. Like I said, it's hard to just push the blame but at some point we need to be honest.

[Stivi]

Ban us all.

[Teddy]

Ban us all.

The offer is tempting, but you've done nothing wrong

[.Matthew.]

Good idea was given to issue an administrative fine to those who abuse a bug in their own advantage.
It's not drastic if somebody dares and uses a bug to gain own advantage over others and attempt to keep it hidden.
I doubt anybody would like to lose money they've been working for, independently of how much of it was earned fairly.
It'll be a lesson.