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Reply #30 on: December 31, 2015, 06:57:39 pm
60minutes of gameplay adminjails? and gettign kicked if afk/idling?

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Reply #31 on: December 31, 2015, 07:00:00 pm
60minutes of gameplay adminjails? and gettign kicked if afk/idling?

Doubt that would be any use, you can still go AFK without alt-tabbing or escaping.

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Reply #32 on: December 31, 2015, 07:07:37 pm
60minutes of gameplay adminjails? and gettign kicked if afk/idling?
Long admin jails are pointless, a lot of people spend their time afk anyway.



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Reply #33 on: December 31, 2015, 07:11:59 pm
60minutes of gameplay adminjails? and gettign kicked if afk/idling?

Or just pull 10k-100k depending on punishment reason from their accounts.



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Reply #34 on: December 31, 2015, 07:15:11 pm
Or just pull 10k-100k depending on punishment reason from their accounts.

Fining is a pretty ridiculous punishment from my perspective due it just depends from which point of view you're seeing the situation that has just occurred. However if you remove a certain amount of cash / giving a fine penalty to those who are banned, I assume that would be fine.

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Reply #35 on: December 31, 2015, 07:32:17 pm
So we've been moving the convo, back and forth, for a while. Any decisions? or any Conclusions?


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Reply #36 on: December 31, 2015, 07:41:11 pm
So let it be. We're not saying there shouldn't be forgiveness at times because I've seen it at first hand seeing people get mistakenly banned or banned for something so small its not even worth getting banned over. But those who continuously repeat the same mistakes over and over, should remain banned. Once you hit five bans, its just obvious that the player won't ever learn.
I believe you were banned more than 5 times, are you agreed you will never learn?

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Reply #37 on: December 31, 2015, 07:57:18 pm
Those that abuse the script and take advantages over any flaw they find in the game should be removed from the server without a chance of coming back. It's simple, if they don't care about this community we shouldn't be caring for them.


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Reply #38 on: December 31, 2015, 08:02:46 pm
Those that abuse the script and take advantages over any flaw they find in the game should be removed from the server without a chance of coming back. It's simple, if they don't care about this community we shouldn't be caring for them.
They will just ban evade and find another way round to abuse another bug, taking their money is the best solution in my honest opinion.



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Reply #39 on: January 01, 2016, 12:34:06 pm
I'd rather have a more reliable report bug system, @Teddy your response to Trucking was that I had not 'explained' it well over forum, while actually I had detailed it towards you in Skype to not reveal more on forum, yet the effort was gone.

Fact is, people will not change. Everyone tries to make e-$$ in-game, and if there are only 3 ways, people will find ways to abuse all of them 3. I'm not saying it's a fault of yours, but current system did not benefit many people in making money. Back in RS3-RS4 when there were only certain vehicles available without the ability of everyone owning one, there was an actual Market worth..People (including me) would buy and sell cars for profit everyday.. There were state owned cars all over the city and not just AP's and locked private owned cars everywhere.. there were ways to make money, there were Staff Events, DDs weekly, Lottos daily, Paydays.. Frank's Economic Stimulus <3... (Cars were just an example of why people are greedy.)


As for script abuse detecting.. Have every offender self-banned for 1 day(1st offence), 2nd time? 3 days.. etc. If they are aware that abusing something will let them off game for more time, they wont repeat it.

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Reply #40 on: January 01, 2016, 01:21:41 pm
there were Staff Events, DDs weekly, Lottos daily, Paydays.. Frank's Economic Stimulus <3... (Cars were just an example of why people are greedy.
Theese are very needed indeed.



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Reply #41 on: January 01, 2016, 01:49:02 pm
It's like leaving an unlocked bike in a middle of a street and then wondering why it was stolen. You can't change human nature.

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Reply #42 on: January 01, 2016, 01:54:20 pm
I remember suggesting money fines a few years ago before I became a moderator. People don't care about a ban, surely they can't play for a few days (or atleast that's how it used to be).
Now adays ban times are longer and people are /a bit/ more careful about what they do. But other than that they still don't really care, can't play for a little while but still have all their shit.
I would say, if a player script abuses, remove 30 per cent of their total money, and ban them for a month. Do they script abuse again (and I ain't counting using /helpmeup to get on a building here, even though it's script abuse). Remove all of their assets and ban them for half a year. Sure we might lose some players that way but we just can't keep going with the constant abuse of everything people can find.



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Reply #43 on: January 01, 2016, 05:42:26 pm
On a serious note, Timon had a fine idea and it seems practical since all these people who abuse bugs for gain is money.

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Reply #44 on: January 01, 2016, 05:48:56 pm
This is something I've been pondering for a bit of time now and it's really hard to just slap the blame down on to the community.

Consider what the issues actually are and whether or not it is something that warrants the need to openly blame or as a result of the blame, what is done - is it actual change for the better or is it just two steps forward, one step backwards?

Do you want to stick the blame on someone for something and risk causing upset or would you not rather see everyone happy?

But being practical there is a lot of good ideas we have, and you have had that we simply cannot do because of one simple fact: f**cking useless trolls and abusers.

Every action has a reaction.

By accusing the community or members of the community of being useless, malicious, trolls, you can expect some people to think you're not serious about doing good, although I personally can see you're, it's just you need to give considerations to certain factors especially how you go about addressing people. 

Those people who are not good for the community will find that they can not return so easily.
For those members of the community which may unknowingly commit wrong but get the label of being malicious / become witch hunted instead of appreciated for what they are, you will find they return constantly.

Progress should not wait for a specific person, one thing that makes progress easier and much more enjoyable is co-operation and serious willingness to include and not witch hunt or seek to put down members of the community who given an actual chance will enable the witnessing of the community to flourish.

Generally, it is good at times to be upfront but when it comes to a public response or statement, the language should be considered and scrutinized to ensure what is said leads onto good.

With every system it seems we develop, we spend more time writing code to prevent abuse, detect abuse, and logging systems to ensure we can prove abuse than we do actual functionality in the systems. I bring this up because I want RS5.2 to be something different, something well... amazing and based on tester feedback it's generally well appreciated even though it's in an incomplete stage. So many ideas I've looked at and thought "Wow, this would actually be good" but within a few minutes my mind is flooded with all the ways it can and WILL be abused.

If we find that on the release of a product there is huge risk of abuse, then this would warrant the leadership or lack of leadership and collective blame. It should not see the end of development, it should just be recognized as something that happens but if it can be avoided then it is of-course best. If a plan can be established on how to avoid creating scripts which inadvertently could be used or misused (against the original developers intention for the product) then it should be done.
You need to drop the worry / anxiety / negativity, accept the fact there are possibilities and just look to work around them or learn from the negative aspects and build on them for the better.

Don't think it's an issue?
Remember - every action has a reaction.
Don't be quick to judge people, give them a chance...  Don't start off with a negative hoping to go into positive, start from 0 and look up instead of digging a hole, climbing in it and then looking to reach ground level.

Example:
I give you the point of a eco warrior convincing people to care more about the Africans:

"well ofcourse you cunts will not recognise that there are many africans suffering in the world from mulnutrition... you just sit there with your donuts... whilst they sit there with NOTHING."

response: "yea, fuck you, I'll go eat my donut in peace, fuck your africans"

^ Above is wrong way to go about it.
Below is better.

"I know that you as people will recognize and care about these poor Africans, they are starving, let's try and do what we can to show our compassion for the African people, just because we're able to buy donuts, whilst they are not, we're not bad because of this, but we should try and do what we can".

"hmm, ok, how can I help?"
Remember - every action has a reaction. What do you want that reaction to be?

Look at Trucking for example, minor bug as soon as one person found it dozens and dozens of people were using it for gain and only one single person months later decided to properly report it to the development team. So this idea isn't baseless in terms of evidence from our community history.


If those people who were apparently abusing the system have not yet been banned, or if the intention is not to ban the whole server, then let them know what damage has been done and how they can help to fix or in the future avoid the damage.


What needs to change? That's the thing. Either the community as a whole has to want and make change or nothing changes and we continue to stun progress over childish behaviors. The choice is really yours, do you want greatness or do you want merely "good". I'll leave that up to you.
Progress waits for nothing.

IF there is something that can be done, then it will be done.
If there is an issue in the way, then you deal with that issue given it is sensible.
Good caring leadership needs to be shown.

Without 'good' there is no 'greatness'. Look to the future learning the lessons of the past to better shape that future.
But do not allow mistakes and concerns to hold you back. If you are serious about greatness then you MUST accept to work with people, to recognize peoples flaws and to be patient, caring and not discriminatory based on something that some people may suffer with. 

Recognize not to work in haste, but also not to grab hold of the pistol and call it a day.
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