Why can't we achieve greatness?

[TiMoN]

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All this story can be summarized by:

1. Outlining punishments for each rulebreak.
2. Outlining punishments for each rulebreak depending on repetition.
3. Lenient punishments on new players.

[Cofiliano]

Who said this? Im just talking about the economical system, the need to take an exam before joining policeforces, the lack of state cars cause hey you need to shit money and buy cars.

My bad if this was a little bit unclear formulated.

And do not mistake, im not attacking anything, simply stating my opinion and my view.

On a side note, i have read the following on the forums:

What will RS5.2 hold feature wise? A new business system, a new trucking system, factories, crafting, warehouses, proper logistics system, new drug system, new drug market, new economy system, new stock market, new criminal updates, multi-language support, a new Internet and smartphone system and so much more!

Wow! Thought the whole argonath identity was all about roleplaying, a world of its own?

No, lets be a dead server for 3 years, on a game that's dying out, without basic scripts working, and talk about the good old days and argonath indentity.

You veterans who aren't even playing anymore, yet constantly come here to drop your shit are the worst ones.
Argonath has evolved, just like we all did, this is 2016 now, not 2007, this is a unique server where everyone can roleplay what ever the fuck they want, and in any style they want, yet the fact is, Argonath moved from a light roleplay server to(towards) a medium roleplay server isn't something to scream about, yet be happy, because that shows the Community maturity has evolved as well, no matter how much some people actions makes it look like nothing has changed.

80 percent people arguing and debating here, aren't even active that much, or are completely gone from SAMP, yet you guys are constantly talking out of your ass.

[SugarD]

All this story can be summarized by:

1. Outlining punishments for each rulebreak.
2. Outlining punishments for each rulebreak depending on repetition.
3. Lenient punishments on new players.

No. I did not say outline punishments. I'm saying create guidelines. They shouldn't be something that needs to be strictly adhered to, but instead guides administration members towards making better decisions. The tl;dr approach is not correct.

...and I don't mean "do this when that happens". I mean things along the lines of "if this small situation happens with a new player, try to explain to the player what is wrong first. If they ignore you, then move on to the next level of punishment", etc., so our administrators understand the levels of power they can use and when, and figure it out on their own for each scenario.

[Rei]

80 percent people arguing and debating here, aren't even active that much, or are completely gone from SAMP, yet you guys are constantly talking out of your ass.

I'd agree with this.

[SugarD]

Many of the people discussing this here are inactive because of their frustrations over the issues. Regardless, what does their activity have anything to do with it? Our community is welcoming to anyone. Telling people they can't share their opinions because they don't play 8 hours per day every day only proves the point of this topic more.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

Telling people they can't share their opinions because they don't play 8 hours per day every day only proves the point of this topic more.

Correct.

[Mikal]

No, lets be a dead server for 3 years, on a game that's dying out, without basic scripts working, and talk about the good old days and argonath indentity.

You veterans who aren't even playing anymore, yet constantly come here to drop your shit are the worst ones.
Argonath has evolved, just like we all did, this is 2016 now, not 2007, this is a unique server where everyone can roleplay what ever the fuck they want, and in any style they want, yet the fact is, Argonath moved from a light roleplay server to(towards) a medium roleplay server isn't something to scream about, yet be happy, because that shows the Community maturity has evolved as well, no matter how much some people actions makes it look like nothing has changed.

80 percent people arguing and debating here, aren't even active that much, or are completely gone from SAMP, yet you guys are constantly talking out of your ass.

Don't like Argonath as it is now or what it's becoming? Cya!

[Cofiliano]

Many of the people discussing this here are inactive because of their frustrations over the issues. Regardless, what does their activity have anything to do with it? Our community is welcoming to anyone. Telling people they can't share their opinions because they don't play 8 hours per day every day only proves the point of this topic more.

Everything you just wrote is just a big ass excuse to continue talking out of your ass.
I'm not directing it to you personally, yet generally most of you guys debating here.

 How can you debate about something you don't even have the right idea about? How can you know what's going on in the server, if you're not even playing? How can you know are people roleplaying more or less, if you don't join in and drive around from Ganton to Gs9, then to Verdant Bluffs, Verona beach, Skatepark at Jefferson, then Flint County, Avispa, and Queens, Montgomery?  I can bet 1milion right away, you don't even know why are half of these locations mentioned at all. Yeah go research a little on group section then answer me.

You can't, but you said one thing right, you're here to cure your frustrations and  feed your need for a constant debate and bad girling.

"Good old days"- that's bullshit, nothing was better in the 'good old days'  then it is today, except you and your friends, being young and new to SAMP, so you have a nostalgia toward those time, and you forget how shitty  a lot of things were, that's not the case today.

I'm sick of this sentence.

[Mikal]

8 hours per day

8 hours per day? Most of the people moaning, including yourself, don't even manage 30 minutes per week on the server.

*cough* https://panel.argonathrpg.nl/player/SugarD

[SugarD]

Everything you just wrote is just a big ass excuse to continue talking out of your ass. I'm not directing it to you personally, yet generally most of you guys debating here.

 How can you debate about something you don't even have the right idea about? How can How can you know what's going on in the server, if you're not even playing? How can you know are people roleplaying more or less, if you don't join in and drive around from Ganton to Gs9, then to Verdant Bluffs, then Flint County, Avispa, and Queens and Montgomery? 

You can't, but you said one thing right, you're here to cure your frustrations and  feed your need for a constant debate and bad girling.

"Good old days"- that's bullshit, nothing was better in the 'good old days'  then it is today, except you and your friends, being young and new to SAMP, so you have a nostalgia toward those time, and you forget how shitty  a lot of things were, that's not the case today.

I'm sick of this sentence.

Okay, let's just break this down.
1. To say I'm personally talking out of my ass, and then saying it is not directed at me...that would be a bit impossible.
2. How do I not have the right? I'm part of this community, and as per the Argonath Vision, which overrides any and all rules of this community, I do.
3. You say I'm not playing, yet you did not even check my activity. If I was not playing, my account would be impossible to access right now, as it wouldn't have been properly converted to a version 3 account, as per Teddy's previous topic.
4. Driving around is roleplaying?
5. It doesn't take activity in a single server within a community of more than 10 to realize that there is something wrong. If there wasn't, do you really think leading members of the community itself would be making topics like this?
6. I'm not here to constantly debate and "bad girl" as you said. If you had actually read the last 8 pages, you would know that I've barely replied to this topic compared to a majority of those who have.
7. The "good old days" are a reference to a time when these issues did not exist, or if they did, were extremely minimal. To add to this, you need a history lesson. I originally joined this community some time in the late 2006/early 2007-era. I had played in both MTA:VC and SA:MP. You may wish to look up when Argo was founded, and when it went live. This was not just some nostalgia. This is coming from someone who has been here and watched the community grow, change, and evolve over 10 years. Ask any one of the others who are still here from that time and I'm sure they'll also say that things have changed. They may have varying opinions on how things have changed, but they will still agree that they have.
8. If you are sick of it, then don't reply. People are trying to work together to have a healthy discussion on issues so it can be put out in the open, and ideas to resolve it can come about. Sitting here trying to spark a negative reaction from people is not going to solve anything.

8 hours per day? Most of the people moaning, including yourself, don't even manage 30 minutes per week on the server.

*cough* https://panel.argonathrpg.nl/player/SugarD

You completely missed the point I was trying to make. Congratulations.

[Cofiliano]

1. I meant its not directed to you only, yet to all of you guys.
2.No one said you don't have right to comment, just like we have the right to answer you and call it bullshiting.
3. What activity give me a break, I saw Gandalf more around then you. Mikal already did that.
4.Yes, passing by and talking to people, you can walk if you like it more.
5.And what's wrong?
6. What majority? Few inactive or gone players from SAMP players. The majority is 139 people who were online yesterday night, which proves you wrong.
7. Of course it changed, and thank God for that. Its not a strictly cop server anymore if that's your problem.
8. There's nothing healthy in talking out of your ass. There's no issue as far as more then 139 active people yesterday are concern. Actually there are issues of course, but those issues are nothing you guys are talking about, and raising some "omg I miss MTA Argo" subjects, and "argonath identity" and "argonath vision". We've been listening to those stories for years, and we all know them  very good, this is 2016, get used to it.

[SugarD]

1. I meant its not directed to you only, yet to all of you guys.
2.No one said you don't have right to comment, just like we have the right to answer you and call it bullshiting.
3. What activity give me a break, I saw Gandalf more around then you. Mikal already did that.
4.Yes, passing by and talking to people, you can walk if you like it more.
5.And what's wrong?
6. What majority? Few inactive or gone players from SAMP players. The majority is 139 people who were online yesterday night, which proves you wrong.
7. Of course it changed, and thank God for that. Its not a cop server anymore if that's your problem.
8. There's nothing healthy in talking out of your ass. There's no issue as far as more then 139 active people yesterday are concern. Actually there are issues of course, but those issues are nothing you guys are talking about, and raising some "omg I miss MTA Argo" subjects, and "argonath identity" and "argonath vision". We've been listening to those stories for years, and we all know them  very good, this is 2016, get used to it.

1. In that case, my apologies for the misunderstanding.
2. I believe I misunderstood your reply.
3. Gandalf has been active within the last week. I was active within the last month or so. Adding to this, if people with low activity shouldn't have an opinion here, then by that logic the community's own Owners wouldn't either. Doesn't exactly make sense.
4. No comment.
5. This entire topic is discussing the answer to your question.
6. Majority of those replying to the topic, not the majority of overall players in SA:MP.
7. As I said, everyone has their own opinions on what has changed. (My point was that it had changed in the first place).
8. I'm not bringing MTA:VC into this at all. Me even mentioning the name was simply a reference to the time and where I was. Just because activity in the server is high doesn't mean past issues have gone away. If that were the case, there wouldn't be a massive amount of posts in this topic agreeing that there are problems that need fixing. In the perfect world, everyone would be disagreeing with the original poster saying nothing was wrong.

Getting used to problems is not the answer. Yes, complaining is a problem in itself which shouldn't be acknowledged, but a good amount of the community recognizes that something is wrong. At that point it leans more towards a need to discuss what is happening, and if applicable, how to fix it. It is no secret that many of these issues are well-known by everyone. Many of them may be simply complaints, but many of them are also real issues affecting the health and future of our community.

[Cofiliano]

I don't know why  I went and feed you, instead of just making my point in the first post, and get it over with.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

Tbh, I see SugarD more online then Gandalf.

Cofi, when you said (feed you), are you implying he is a troll or something like that? If you are, he joined Argonath 2 months or more before you joined it.

Also to mention, he is a very good veteran.

I don't see anything bad about SugarD, the only thing I would like is that he focused a bit more on the FD, other then that, he is a very good veteran.

[Axison]

Cofi, when you said (feed you), are you implying he is a troll or something like that? If you are, he joined Argonath 2 months or more before you joined it.

And what does the date of registration matter?

There are players who registered back in 2006 and came online now, who(in your opinion) has more experience and idea about whats going on currently?

Its the experience that matters not the /whenmade or the forum registration date.