Why can't we achieve greatness?

[Devin]

Main reason why this community became unstable is due to all the veterans who left. Deny it as much as you want, but its a simple fact. Look for example at CBFasi.. it all went downhill from then on.

To be honest, im way to busy irl to become active again, yet it saddens me looking at this community today.

And there will be a few retards who will say: wtf then leave.

Well to me this was my home.. dont like seeing it get burned down :-)

I don't appreciate these kinds of posts; you don't even have two hours in RS5 since your registration in 2014. I find it hard to believe you know anything about the community or server at this point in time. Things change but sadly salty "veterans" claim to know better.

So it "saddens" you to look at the community today when you have no experience with it either. If you have problems try see what is actually going on instead of shitting on things you have no experience with.

You want to call our progress burning something down? I feel sorry for you.

[Marcel]

Main reason why this community became unstable is due to all the veterans who left. Deny it as much as you want, but its a simple fact. Look for example at CBFasi.. it all went downhill from then on.

To be honest, im way to busy irl to become active again, yet it saddens me looking at this community today.

And there will be a few retards who will say: wtf then leave.

Well to me this was my home.. dont like seeing it get burned down :-)

[Pizza4_Games]

I hope the drama doesn't start again.
EDIT: The one you just changed looks a bit more worse Marcel.

[Call_me_Dad]

Exactly, people seemed to take a picture of 1 simple roleplay which literally sometimes was just "/me loads a box onto the truck" and then got paid for it, it encouraged no business cooperation and people just did as very little as they could just to secure their cash, sticking to scripted jobs is the best thing to do, hopefully we'll see different 'physical' /invent things in RS5.2 which people can actually RP, trade and create businesses around.

I had not heard of BSF yet and did some search to find out what it was. Correct me if I am wrong, it was a system to pay a business owner some bulk cash that he/she would distribute among his/her employees based on what the group roleplayed. They had to show a proof of how they role-played the business and why they deserved the money, which were hilarious at times.

My suggestion differs from that as, the amount is paid out purely on the basis of stats, facts and figures. So, a cop is paid ($ x Criminals killed + $ x Criminals jailed) on payday. The difference is, the cash is paid by the police Chief instead of scripts. So, every money earned by a cop is audited and screened by a high ranked police official. Any exceptional stats (9999 jails) would get their attention and the economical harm through script abuse would be prevented.

The main advantage is that the scripters would not need to worry about all the boring if else if else if else if else if else snippets which occupy 60% of the code as mentioned. They can spend their time and effort on much better features. The workload would be shifted from the developers to players who hold high ranked jobs.

[Cofiliano]

Main reason why this community became unstable is due to all the veterans who left. Deny it as much as you want, but its a simple fact. Look for example at CBFasi.. it all went downhill from then on.

After CBFasi left, Argonath has stopped being a strictly pro cop server. I'll always respect him for all his time and efforts he gave for Argonath, but in my opinion his idea and work was completely wrong and ultra one sided. I'll give you a few example:

-Official and recognize criminal groups couldn't have one doors, again I repeat, ONE DOORS set as object at their house FOR YEARS of asking, because he was denying it with bullshit excuses such as SAMP object limits, yet he spent millions of  objects in making highway and Mordor itself. I remember the stress Pablo Santos went for years with him, asking for one bloody doors to be setup at Garcia, and he kept denying. He was doing the same with Gvardia, again for years, and if wasn't for Gimli and Frank Hawk as Community Leader we would have never got our gate at Corporation. Even tho we were official, even tho we actually bought another property with a gate so the "samp object limit" wouldn't be a problem he was still denying it with bullshit excuses, and  he still went furious on Gimli and Frank for giving us one f**cking gate.

-Not a single script, addon, feature  in the period of 5 years has been done for the criminal players, nothing, zip, nada, niet, it was all focused on developing some ridicules things that majority didn't had any use of.

-Not a single map could have been implemented unless its the new HQ of SWAT, new AirForce base, and what not. Same goes for interiors.

-Not a single among thousands of bugs that's not concerning police work or general server playing, was fixed, and was never a priority, of any kind, the drug script couldn't be used for 8 months at one point, and it needed 5 minutes of Xcasio time when he came back to Argo, for him to fix it.

-Not a SINGLE criminal admin was among /a team. We had a wave of Criminal Leaders becoming moderators once Frank and xcasio took charge, but when they quit, they were all antagonized until CBF placed all his SWAT friends, and again we didn't had, I repeat, a SINGLE criminal admin.


Yeah I know you like that period because it was a nice era for you, but for majority people here, and majority people on Argonath were, are, and always will be criminals, it was nothing but a dark age, and its not about cop/criminal balance, since SAPD is treated today better then ever as well, which you can ask Drix if you don't believe me.

And most people here are looking forward for those "silly iphone scripts" aka RS5.2, it only makes me sad we didn't get RS5.2 back in 2009 when there was a constant of 100-150 players, Argonath would be top 3 SAMP Communities among roleplay servers, yet these guys are working their asses off, to repair all the stupid decisions and recovered all the wasted time, that we've lost.
They took a dead server, with almost a dead Community on a dying game, who lost all trust into their developers and lost all hope, and step by step, they've returned it to the late RS4 level, and have actually earned the trust not by their "plans" and "future ideas" yet by their hard work and reasonable attitude toward Community.

And now when things are starting to look way better, veterans returning, player count rising, scripts are getting released on a regular base and Argonath has hope for a nicer future, you guys show up and start talking out of your ass, insulting our intelligence with your stories of the "good old days" and how everything went "down the hill" after that.

Fuck you and your "good old days".

[.Matthew.]

Thank you Cofiliano 
What you've said is simply amazing.

Svaka cast

[AhmadLov]

You know you wont achieve greatness after this topic reached 10 pages of interventions.

[KhornateMonkey]

What've I missed?

[psyron]

What've I missed?

gsf got official, corleones starting to appear once again, frank hawk and lustig left the community, rs5.2 delayed till 1st feb 2016. thats it for now

[Ivan_Dzeba]

Cofiliano, I must give you a big clap for what you have just wrote.  Svaka cast brate, samo nastavi govoriti istinu.

[Conk]

What've I missed?

Most of the mapping to-do list!! You and your 637372 month inactivity 

[Whiteman]

Why can't we achieve greatness? Stop trolling and start taking roleplaying seriously, atleast try. Simple as that, scripters are on their top game trying to give us the possibilities to expand and create even more unique roleplay, though roleplaying needs some brain capacity to perform.

[Norrage]

Why can't we achieve greatness? Stop trolling and start taking roleplaying seriously, atleast try. Simple as that, scripters are on their top game trying to give us the possibilities to expand and create even more unique roleplay, though roleplaying needs some brain capacity to perform.

I think this is one of the biggest issues at the moment. Driving around, doing nothing and trolling in the chat is one of the things most people do nowadays (not all). I tried roleplaying a cab driver, a cab driver with engine failure and a medic for some time now. Gave people lots of oppertunities to roleplay with me, tho all they do and care about is chatting, trolling, driving around and thinking about themselves.

Cab driver driving in Flint County, spotting a man that is bunnyhopping towards Los Santos with no car in sight. But no, he doesn't want a cab ride, just because of the money or roleplay. Just one of the few examples.

Most of the jobs are useless. Firemen only care about their money, drivers are never called and medics are just there for driving around and healing people without RP. It's all about the cops and criminals.

As Whiteman said, stop trolling, start roleplaying.

And now when things are starting to look way better, veterans returning, player count rising, scripts are getting released on a regular base and Argonath has hope for a nicer future, you guys show up and start talking out of your ass, insulting our intelligence with your stories of the "good old days" and how everything went "down the hill" after that.

Fuck you and your "good old days".

Yes, maybe 5-6 years criminals were sent down the shitter, but that does not take away the roleplay aspect. They kept roleplaying and that was one of the reasons they survived that shitter. Something that is much lower now then before.

[Deni1997]

After CBFasi left, Argonath has stopped being a strictly pro cop server. I'll always respect him for all his time and efforts he gave for Argonath, but in my opinion his idea and work was completely wrong and ultra one sided. I'll give you a few example:

-Official and recognize criminal groups couldn't have one doors, again I repeat, ONE DOORS set as object at their house FOR YEARS of asking, because he was denying it with bullshit excuses such as SAMP object limits, yet he spent millions of  objects in making highway and Mordor itself. I remember the stress Pablo Santos went for years with him, asking for one bloody doors to be setup at Garcia, and he kept denying. He was doing the same with Gvardia, again for years, and if wasn't for Gimli and Frank Hawk as Community Leader we would have never got our gate at Corporation. Even tho we were official, even tho we actually bought another property with a gate so the "samp object limit" wouldn't be a problem he was still denying it with bullshit excuses, and  he still went furious on Gimli and Frank for giving us one f**cking gate.

-Not a single script, addon, feature  in the period of 5 years has been done for the criminal players, nothing, zip, nada, niet, it was all focused on developing some ridicules things that majority didn't had any use of.

-Not a single map could have been implemented unless its the new HQ of SWAT, new AirForce base, and what not. Same goes for interiors.

-Not a single among thousands of bugs that's not concerning police work or general server playing, was fixed, and was never a priority, of any kind, the drug script couldn't be used for 8 months at one point, and it needed 5 minutes of Xcasio time when he came back to Argo, for him to fix it.

-Not a SINGLE criminal admin was among /a team. We had a wave of Criminal Leaders becoming moderators once Frank and xcasio took charge, but when they quit, they were all antagonized until CBF placed all his SWAT friends, and again we didn't had, I repeat, a SINGLE criminal admin.


Yeah I know you like that period because it was a nice era for you, but for majority people here, and majority people on Argonath were, are, and always will be criminals, it was nothing but a dark age, and its not about cop/criminal balance, since SAPD is treated today better then ever as well, which you can ask Drix if you don't believe me.

And most people here are looking forward for those "silly iphone scripts" aka RS5.2, it only makes me sad we didn't get RS5.2 back in 2009 when there was a constant of 100-150 players, Argonath would be top 3 SAMP Communities among roleplay servers, yet these guys are working their asses off, to repair all the stupid decisions and recovered all the wasted time, that we've lost.
They took a dead server, with almost a dead Community on a dying game, who lost all trust into their developers and lost all hope, and step by step, they've returned it to the late RS4 level, and have actually earned the trust not by their "plans" and "future ideas" yet by their hard work and reasonable attitude toward Community.

And now when things are starting to look way better, veterans returning, player count rising, scripts are getting released on a regular base and Argonath has hope for a nicer future, you guys show up and start talking out of your ass, insulting our intelligence with your stories of the "good old days" and how everything went "down the hill" after that.

Fuck you and your "good old days".

Hahahahaha, holy shit brate, to je to!!

[Thom]

Argonath has become better scripted that's for sure.. But its not the server that 4 years ago Players loved to stay and play. The blame is not to be thrown at nobody
Cause all the things went upside down since then