Why can't we achieve greatness?

[Cofiliano]

Yes, maybe 5-6 years criminals were sent down the shitter, but that does not take away the roleplay aspect. They kept roleplaying and that was one of the reasons they survived that shitter. Something that is much lower now then before.

Yeah, and that's the consequences of those 5-6 years. Only few of us, who you can call masochists stayed around, while most of the people who were pushing the roleplay level up, gave up long time ago, exactly for the reasons I pointed out in my previous reply, and no one can blame them for it, I gave one example of Pablo Santos who was keeping 15-20 fantastic roleplayers on Argonath for 3-4 years, in a ghost town back then, San Fierro which was 3 times harder to do, specially for a gang, who was really depressed for years,  and all his efforts were crushed, because of the people in charge back then, who just took criminals, criminal groups, and criminal leaders for granted, basically like slaves  and orange meat, that they wont run out off.  Well we run out of them.

Lack of vision, lack of realism, lack of equality, lack of development, even lack of empathy and solidarity. 

And now some of their followers who were so happy back then for their own selfish reason, came here to tell us all about it.

The roleplay didn't go down because of RS5, the roleplay went down because of all the things I wrote in the previous, and this reply, that were happening few years ago.

And these days, the roleplay level is rising up as well, unfortunately not enough leaders are around to have 5-6 gangs in LS 2-3 gangs in SF, plus all the organized crime syndicates like we should have, because we wasted them, but with a proper group support, and a proper Community support, we can re-build all of it, and even move to another level, that Argonath never manage to reach before. And these scripts, maps, features, and most importantly a supportive and helping attitude toward those people from the HQ and Community in general,  are just a fertile land for all of that to happen.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

Most of the jobs are useless. Firemen only care about their money, drivers are never called and medics are just there for driving around and healing people without RP. It's ALL about the cops and criminals.

As Whiteman said, stop trolling, start roleplaying.

[Norrage]

And these days, the roleplay level is rising up as well, unfortunately not enough leaders are around to have 5-6 gangs in LS 2-3 gangs in SF, plus all the organized crime syndicates like we should have, because we wasted them, but with a proper group support, and a proper Community support, we can re-build all of it, and even move to another level, that Argonath never manage to reach before. And these scripts, maps, features, and most importantly a supportive and helping attitude toward those people from the HQ and Community in general,  are just a fertile land for all of that to happen.

I totally agree with you. Tho IF gangs / clans rise up again, will that bring roleplay back? I got a strong feeling that will only encourage more cop / criminal roleplay. You won't help medics, drivers, fireman and mechanics with that. If you want to encourage more people roleplaying those jobs you will need to start them for yourself, not rising up a clan / family again.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

As Twenty said, creating more families and clans will make the server look like more a cops and robbers server.

We need to focus on the FD,EMS,Mechanics,Drvivers and whatever jobs are still here. Enough focus on Cops'N'Robbers, let's move to the other jobs.

[Devin]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with more clans or even criminal entities being created in the server. To say people "must" rather join law enforcement or other government agencies over creating a new criminal group is simply not logical. Players are welcome to join or create any kind of group they're keen on creating.

As long as it is not making a new group every week for the fun of it and closing it shortly after.

[Cofiliano]

I totally agree with you. Tho IF gangs / clans rise up again, will that bring roleplay back? I got a strong feeling that will only encourage more cop / criminal roleplay. You won't help medics, drivers, fireman and mechanics with that. If you want to encourage more people roleplaying those jobs you will need to start them for yourself, not rising up a clan / family again.

If only our problem was too many newly open clan/families.

How about guys like you, Ivan, Masi, Favathino, and other guys who are precises to this Community for being one of the rare people who constantly roleplay as medics, cab drivers, firemans, and other (non-cop, non-cirminal ) civilians, help new players develop such groups and learn them to roleplay and lead them?

While you do that,  criminal leaders will focus on developing new groups which you can't really find any last few months/a year almost, based on new players. Its really sad that Los Santos as the main gang city, has only GSF and Ballas left, now without Frank and Lustig, and not just Los Santos.

[SugarD]

Everyone has their own preference of what they like to roleplay.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

CBFasi brought life, love and humanity to Argonath RPG.
Since his leave, it seems empty.
He is a wonderful person and it's a shame people did not want to be patient or tolerant.


But my question still remains, why the hell is this topic labeled "Why can't we achieve greatness?". It's negative as fuck and it's not going to do any good as it's pretty structure less. Let's go back to the drawing board and actually try again.

[TiMoN]

He is a wonderful person and it's a shame people did not want to be patient or tolerant.

Why do I think this is pure sarcasm?
On the groups topic, there is also some need for scripts for certain types of groups to exist. Trucking for example, has caused at least 5 trucking-related companies to emerge and focus on RP scenarios that did not exist before. Now that farms and farming are coming, I hope the same will occur.

[Pizza4_Games]

[Ivan_Dzeba]

How about guys like you, Ivan, Masi, Favathino, and other guys who are precises to this Community for being one of the rare people who constantly roleplay as medics, cab drivers, firemans, and other (non-cop, non-cirminal ) civilians, help new players develop such groups and learn them to roleplay and lead them?

Could you explain that more? That sentence is confusing to me. Do you mean I am one of the rare people that constantly play jobs that aren't cops and criminals, and what is that about helping new players( I do help them) and groups and roleplay and leading? I am confused.

[Gandalf]

We should not forget that the majority of players will not dedicate a long time to a single game or community.
If you look in 2010 who of the people from 2006 were left, a lot of veterans were gone and more were becoming inactive.
This is the same if you look to the current players and the people they remember of their first days.

Players come ond go, and not many will remain present a long time. That is why giving attention to new players and getting their attention is so important. Instead of staying in your own circles and locking out unknown players, invite them even if it runs the risk of having some time wasted.
As for lack of criminal admins, I guess you forget out current server leader has a very criminal past. As had many of his predecessors.

[Mikal]

I don't think we even lack criminal admins now, there's GSF, Gvardia, and probably a few others, not that groups should matter, admins should be impartial and unbiased no matter what, and if not then they shouldn't be admins.

[TiMoN]

We should not forget that the majority of players will not dedicate a long time to a single game or community.
If you look in 2010 who of the people from 2006 were left, a lot of veterans were gone and more were becoming inactive.
This is the same if you look to the current players and the people they remember of their first days.

Players come ond go, and not many will remain present a long time. That is why giving attention to new players and getting their attention is so important. Instead of staying in your own circles and locking out unknown players, invite them even if it runs the risk of having some time wasted.
As for lack of criminal admins, I guess you forget out current server leader has a very criminal past. As had many of his predecessors.

This is what I've been trying to say for a while, old players aren't returning, and current players are sure as hell not going to asexually reproduce for more players, the only way to get a higher player base is through new guys.

[Leon.]

@OP since I don't want to read through 11 pages-

A lot of it I'm sure has to do with the freedom that Argonath offers, the kind of freedom to do whatever you want that appeals to younger people. And as we all know, younger people tend to think more for themselves before they think for others, hence you have people ruining great ideas for others by abusing them for their own gain. If we want to stay true to our vision, the best we can do is continue to allow this freedom while proactively and strictly punishing those who abuse this freedom. These type of people totally ruin the atmosphere Argonath offers. Although some may disagree, at this point I am amazed that Argonath has not become closer to a stricter roleplay server. I would not consider Argonath's direction towards a more roleplay-oriented server as Argonath becoming more like a srsrp server.