Player base

[Zennith]

There are a lot of players playing SAMP, and looking for servers etc.. IDK how but we need to do something about it, and make them lead theirselves to argo.
 Argo is the best server i've ever seen in my life, i don't want it to crumble down.
I really don't know what to do. I just want to see argo with more than 100 players daily.

+1 Jay, I've even explored a few other servers to see if I can find anything similar to Argo, theres simply none like it, all others atmosphere is just wrong....Argo imho is the best server out there

[.Matthew.]

Rapid decline coincidentally came about after the removal / leaving of  several noticeable figures

Here I'd mention Massi, who was the only person in SA-MP Argonath keeping FD alive and active daily, recruiting people and making them do proper firefighter work.
But yeah, those who barely come and when they do and don't do anything, they decide to remove him because of mistakes rather than simply talking and solving it that way instead of firing.

Might as well just do the same structure SAPD has, get rid of ARFD, add a committee and remove the dicta... commissioner rank.

[LewisChurch]

Here I'd mention Massi, who was the only person in SA-MP Argonath keeping FD alive and active daily, recruiting people and making them do proper firefighter work.
But yeah, those who barely come and when they do and don't do anything, they decide to remove him because of mistakes rather than simply talking and solving it that way instead of firing.

Might as well just do the same structure SAPD has, get rid of ARFD, add a committee and remove the dicta... commissioner rank.

If I am honest with you buddy, Massi was an asshole, not only did he backstabbed some of his commanding officers and tried to get people to turn against them, he also talked shit to volunteers and even then barely came on.

[Allison]

Here I'd mention Massi, who was the only person in SA-MP Argonath keeping FD alive and active daily, recruiting people and making them do proper firefighter work.
But yeah, those who barely come and when they do and don't do anything, they decide to remove him because of mistakes rather than simply talking and solving it that way instead of firing.

By "simply talking to him", you mean something like this? It happened for a previous incident. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Don't get me wrong, I commend Massi for his attempt at making FD something it was years ago; active and people actually gave a shit. Though it's not all about activity all of the time. I realize activity is a problem, but would you rather have a large amount of people who have no idea what they're doing, or a small around of people who are good at what they do? This is in regard to everything, not just SAFD / ARFD either.

Might as well just do the same structure SAPD has, get rid of ARFD, add a committee and remove the dicta... commissioner rank.

I'm sure we're all open to improvements to ARFD, though we have barely any community support. When we get support, everyone just drops off after a short amount of time. It's happened for the past 5-6 years. Nothing will change, that's evident.


This topic isn't about Massi, or SAFD, or any group. It's about Argonath SA:MP. There's no point arguing over the small details on things that have been considered the ugly step child for years, but more of a focus on the big picture.

[.Matthew.]

I'm sure we're all open to improvements to ARFD, though we have barely any community support. When we get support, everyone just drops off after a short amount of time. It's happened for the past 5-6 years. Nothing will change, that's evident.

This I hope happens in RS5.2 and brings new features / support for FD. Most of times I in FBI have to treat gunshot wounds, bleeding and other stuff or people will die on way to jail.
For example the firefighter ban command, who will enforce the SAFD regulations and rules when there's nobody active to do it? Then again maybe the new features motivate people to join FD...

At the end, it's not my business what you do in ARFD since I am not part of it, but I do want to see EMS / FD online and more connected to Law Enforcement and work together like they do in reality.
That's what started to happen shortly during Massi's era but as soon as he was gone it was back at no FD online all the time. And that's what makes me annoyed.

[Primus]

The current player base is low not because of a faulty script or bad staff, it's because of poor attitude towards the rolplaying, scripts were always amazing; from RS3 to RS5 scripts have only improved by time but the thing that never changes is the mentality of players who treat RP as a joke and made there mentality of a small complaining child. Let me give some examples:

1) Player A is getting kidnapped by Player B and C. Both Players B and C manages to snatch all means of communication from Player A, yet after a minute ago whole Army arrives to confront the kidnappers.

2) Player A gets robbed by Player B who complies with terms & conditions given by Player A as he does not want bloodshed and successfully finishes the RP. Later on Player A is announced as a “pussy”; why? Cause he said no to violence? Cause he performed a descent Roleplay ?

3) Half of ARPD including SAPD, FBI and SWAT surrounds a suspect, they manages do a descent roleplay like using taser and yet the suspect manages to walk, run, climb and even escape from whole armada by jumping off a cliff. And the excuse after all this; cops can't roleplay...yeah sure..

That's just I could think of right now but probably there are other examples too, even more stupider. If that’s the mentality of current gamers IG, then the RP standard is already in deep under the blue sea, it’s lost and maybe never return, we can only hope to bring it back.

The only thing needs to be changed here is mindset of players nothing else. Everything else is perfectly fine, the script, the staff, le forums etc.

[Chase]

Part of the decline of players isn't the fault of the players, it's part of how certain people in staff deal with things. Believe me, not everyone is held to an equal standard for their actions. If they have friends that are high up in the staff team then can easily be protected. Some people can be tempbanned for "piss poor rp", and many will not.

And when concern and evidence is presented to even more higher ups, you can expect 1 of 3 responses: Nothing (been ignored), "I am too busy to give a fuck", or "I am too frustrated to give a fuck"...

That's as useful as voicing your concerns to U.S Congress! (not a compliment obviously).

We need leaders. Not just leaders, but leaders who happen to actually care and "give a fuck" about things. Leaders who will treat everyone equally and hold everyone to the same standard.

[eymas]

Part of the decline of players isn't the fault of the players, it's part of how certain people in staff deal with things. Believe me, not everyone is held to an equal standard for their actions. If they have friends that are high up in the staff team then can easily be protected. Some people can be tempbanned for "piss poor rp", and many will not.

And when concern and evidence is presented to even more higher ups, you can expect 1 of 3 responses: Nothing (been ignored), "I am too busy to give a fuck", or "I am too frustrated to give a fuck"...

That's as useful as voicing your concerns to U.S Congress! (not a compliment obviously).

We need leaders. Not just leaders, but leaders who happen to actually care and "give a fuck" about things. Leaders who will treat everyone equally and hold everyone to the same standard.

Leaders who do need to be aware of these flaws instead of be left in the dark. If there's anything wrong with the staff team then do not hesitate to report them via the forum or directly to the managers/leaders that you say are required.

Obviously, the shifting standards are something we try to balance and straighten out as you've seen with our new ban system.

[Mikal]

#ReinstateMassi

[Chase]

Leaders who do need to be aware of these flaws instead of be left in the dark. If there's anything wrong with the staff team then do not hesitate to report them via the forum or directly to the managers/leaders that you say are required.

They're well aware of what's wrong. I wouldn't have posted if I hadn't voiced my concerns to them via the appropriate avenues. Of course I received the typical 1 of 3 responses as stated.

[Gnb_22]

Can the fags from SAFD fuck off already, you rank hungry fucks, none of you who are arguing defending the SAFD command actually spend any significant time as a fireman. Actually for once I agree with Matthew, Massi was the only one actually doing something good.


All I see from the last few posts except Jay's and Primus to an extent is a bunch of butthurt moaners who probably haven't gotten their way in some shit and is holding personal grudges against HQ. Grow the fuck up and actually try to post something of actuall value that can aid in solving this problem instead of trying to take cheapshots at HQ.

[Devin]

There are many problems. The problems must be identified and an actual plan with effort and thinking be put in place.

As you can see from this
 
 over a 30 day period the average is getting smaller and smaller.

Rapid decline coincidentally came about after the removal / leaving of  several noticeable figures, hissy fit allegations, general negative views and unfounded superstition etc. etc. 

The strategic "take out the leader and the others will disperse" battle technique is evident as being performed on what is known as Argonath RPG SAMP, of which community members are dispersing left right and center.

I can provide a list of issues that Argonath is facing.
 However if the leadership isn't present / does not exist then it's going to be pointless endeavor.

Management & leadership are different.
Something that Argonath RPG needs is clear leadership.

It's rather apparent you wish to have a dig at SAMP whilst you have your own issues to attend to on Paruni regarding playercount, but so be it.

Care to elaborate on what "removal" of "figures" have occurred? We within HQ had nothing to do with the fire department and massi being removed. That was all on SugarD.
We were not even told about the matter so before pointing the blame at HQ reevaluate your own information.

If you do not wish to give facts regarding the claim of "take out the leader and others will disperse" claim, I have nothing to add in response to that.

You claim leadership isn't present, I say otherwise but if that's your view you're welcome to have it.

How is leadership not clear in your opinion? Because we don't air out our laundry in public?

Here I'd mention Massi, who was the only person in SA-MP Argonath keeping FD alive and active daily, recruiting people and making them do proper firefighter work.
But yeah, those who barely come and when they do and don't do anything, they decide to remove him because of mistakes rather than simply talking and solving it that way instead of firing.

Might as well just do the same structure SAPD has, get rid of ARFD, add a committee and remove the dicta... commissioner rank.

I have a feeling you believe it was SAMP HQ that removed Massi from the Fire Department matter when we had no intervention at all in this situation. We were not even informed about changes to the department. As said above any changes within the fire department were done by SugarD.

Part of the decline of players isn't the fault of the players, it's part of how certain people in staff deal with things. Believe me, not everyone is held to an equal standard for their actions. If they have friends that are high up in the staff team then can easily be protected. Some people can be tempbanned for "piss poor rp", and many will not.

And when concern and evidence is presented to even more higher ups, you can expect 1 of 3 responses: Nothing (been ignored), "I am too busy to give a fuck", or "I am too frustrated to give a fuck"...

That's as useful as voicing your concerns to U.S Congress! (not a compliment obviously).

We need leaders. Not just leaders, but leaders who happen to actually care and "give a fuck" about things. Leaders who will treat everyone equally and hold everyone to the same standard.

If you have an issue with a person, bring it up with them privately or take it to their superior. You are hardly the model player given your history and even recent actions that led to bans.

If you want to run around covering for others that get punished, go ahead. And claims of corruption by HQ members, provide evidence or move along. I am so over babysitting simulator and people screaming corruption on every corner yet refuse to provide anything to support their claims. Hell I could go as far as to go Gandalf style and say "Either you provide evidence to support your claims within 24 hours or you will be banned" but I really can't be bothered removing people for being upset about nothing.

I will assume you're talking about Teddy being too busy to respond to things; simply put he is an HQ member and one of those leading the development of the server, the little free time he has to himself is free for him to do as he likes. The rest of it is spent working on the scripts. You haven't brought any evidence to me personally so I have nothing more to say.

If you have a problem with leadership deal with it appropriately, not by posting on the forum causing nothing but unproductive arguments. If you wish to call HQ corrupt then take it to the owner. I am done.

[TiMoN]

Maybe if these 3000 viewers(ik it can be the same person over and over) actually spent time in game rather than bitching on forum about shit they caused, we wouldn't have such problems.

[Chase]

You haven't brought any evidence to me personally so I have nothing more to say.

If you have a problem with leadership deal with it appropriately, not by posting on the forum causing nothing but unproductive arguments. If you wish to call HQ corrupt then take it to the owner. I am done.

If you checked [email protected] and skype you would see a TON of supporting evidence by me. And what owner are you talking about? There is no owner right now...

[Gnb_22]

Maybe if these 3000 viewers(ik it can be the same person over and over) actually spent time in game rather than bad girling on forum about shit they caused, we wouldn't have such problems.

Sorry forum is more entertaining.