Player base

[Chase]

Said it like it is. HQ was presented with problems and knowingly choose to ignore them. What else can I do? Other than fucking myself / fucking off...

[Devin]

HQ was presented with what problems? You came here blaming everyone in HQ for issues yet provided nothing to support it.
You came here calling argonath a septic tank, talking shit on my skype and providing absolutely nothing relevant.

[Chase]

Too many to count. Your avatar suits you well apparently... :/

[Pizza4_Games]

Going off-topic isn't going to help either.

[Chase]

Going off-topic isn't going to help either.

Normally such topic would be locked by now, especially when personal attacks are being spewed. But I thought talking things out were good?

[Drix]

Okay,  talk, talk, no solutions.. i'll help out

> decline the ability for people to bitch on forums, [email protected]
> remove /p chat, only /h chat
> HQ spends no times with players, because if ur seen in a ts with drix OMG DER FRIENDS CORRUPT, so ye uc
> roleplay in-game enforced
> strict punishments to those who don't
> people need to accept the fact on loosing shit, waiting for rs 2.1
> more jobs for civilians, other rp groups not just mafias, but taxi services, trucking companys, etc.. that on rs 2.1 to
> more videos of your roleplay on youtube, bring attraction to people to join this server, show them your roleplay
> same goes for the police with the videos

shall we keep going?

[eymas]

Can't help people if I'm not presented with issues to solve, and anything that will help. The toxic attitude that many people have against argonath and the players/staff members is one of the many reasons why I'm not around that much anymore.

Even so, as drix says (ignoring the suggestions of which 1/2 will be denied.) you need to offer solutions instead of more problems. Start working on said solutions as well, and only look at those.
You keep focusing on problems and more will come stacking up on the existing ones.

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

There's a problem, it's solvable. Now let's just find the solution together like the (un)happy family we are instead of just blaming *insert player/group here*, alright?

This is how I see it. There are two general opinions;

Opinion 1; Argo's recent changes suck and it should stay the sandbox/L-RP/CnR mix server it's always been, RS4 FTW!
Opinion 2: Argo should evolve and finally turn into a more serious RP server, basically grow up like it's playerbase has over the years and suit their current "needs" for something "deeper".

Now here's the problem: People with opinon 1 are pissed off, giving up hope and leaving because they're not getting their way. They don't feel like it's "their" Argonath anymore, the one they know and love from the 'good old RS4 days'. And guess what, so are the people with opinion 2, because even though Argo is changing like they want it to, it's just taking too f*cking long.

It's either one way or the other, but you can't please everyone, and it's showing.

tl;dr: Argonath is stuck in purgatory.

[Gandalf]

Said it like it is. HQ was presented with problems and knowingly choose to ignore them. What else can I do? Other than f**cking myself / f**cking off...

What you may see as a problem might not be one.
The issue is that you are part of a group that feels they are equal and are doing a job just as good or better.
Unfortunately that has not yet been proven, but you have all opportunity to do so without having to try and blame htings here.

People have been complaning since 2006, and I am sure they will continue to do so.
Some may see it as a negative, but actually it is not. It is called freedom of expression, and we are still offering it in spite of what some may say.

Having the freedom to express your ideas does not mean that they should be implemented. Nor does it mean they are right.
But it is always wordt to discuss them, as once in a while in the sea of poo (which you are an expert on) a golden nugget may be found.

As for player count, we have daily over 275 players on forum. That means if everyone on forum should go in game we would need in increase the size. Perhaps those who sit and whine about the player count could do something about that.

I agree that the main thing is to make new arrivals feel welcome. Unfortunately the demands of veterans are not helping, we need to balance this. Roleplay gets boring if you have no creativity, and especially those who are around longer should consider to do something different now and then.

If you wish things to be altered, be constructive. Stop accusing people of being biased, as you are biased as well. It is ahuman trait that not may can fully suppressed. Try to bring new ideas and new ways of playing that show you are right, and refrain from accusing everyone that does not support your ideas of being shitty.

[Jay42]

We need to make the new players, who join for the first time, to get theirselves addicted.
I just can't understand why they leave, I mean i tried many servers, just to see the difference and argo stills the best.
- Best cmd's; Not well scripted that's true (Waiting for rs5.2); Not confused; also I think that the main chat is just great, and it makes our community what it is. I just don't know why we only have (20 players online now) this shitty player base.. I think it's nones fault, but we need to work as a team (not to blame each other - it won't help), to expose the server.
I don't really know what to do, but there are many solutions I bet, nothing is lost.

[Mikhail Zakhaev]

As for player count, we have daily over 275 players on forum. That means if everyone on forum should go in game we would need in increase the size. Perhaps those who sit and whine about the player count could do something about that.

I think the low player count is just a consequence of people being unhappy with the way things are. Why play on a server if you don't enjoy your time on it in it's current state? Change the server to the what they want it to be and they'll probably come back/play more.

[Mikal]

'Complaint' topics like these need to be banned, I for one am tired of seeing them, we need a dictatorship with extreme censorship, or just make a separate forum for all the intellectually enlightened who are keen to solve all our problems by non-stop discussions on the forums.

You see, that is constructive, I provided a moan and a solution to something that I see as a problem.

[Gandalf]

I think the low player count is just a consequence of people being unhappy with the way things are. Why play on a server if you don't enjoy your time on it in it's current state? Change the server to the what they want it to be and they'll probably come back/play more.

That is how they got where they are now.
Stop changing the server might work a lot better.
People leave because they are not feeling welcome. This is because a lot of new players meet situations where they do not feel wanted or comforatble. Roleplay towards new players it pretty terrible, most players consider a new arrival a ban evader, deathmatcher or someone who is playing the first time in their life.
Stop feeling yourself to be so high just because you are playing a couple of years. New players might teach you a thing or two.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Our leader is still alive

Now we must obey and listen to him and fulfill what he thinks to be the correct coarse of action.

[Jeremy.]

That is how they got where they are now.
Stop changing the server might work a lot better.
People leave because they are not feeling welcome. This is because a lot of new players meet situations where they do not feel wanted or comforatble. Roleplay towards new players it pretty terrible, most players consider a new arrival a ban evader, deathmatcher or someone who is playing the first time in their life.
Stop feeling yourself to be so high just because you are playing a couple of years. New players might teach you a thing or two.

What new players?