[Unbanned] [NP]Monte.Montague banned by [WS]EvilTeddy

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Your in-game name:
[NP]Monte.Montague

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Avoiding Roleplay

Admin who banned you:
[WS]EvilTeddy

When you were banned:
[11:20:35]

Additional notes:
I am sorry that I was found to be avoiding role-play please may I be un-banned.

I can assume that the ban was following the freak situation that occurred with regards to this.


Roleplay as per my belief, as was taught to me by Argonath, the first roleplay server I came on was one of not being silly doing /me hits the gas pedal or such. Or /me breathes in and breathes out. Roleplay is pretty self explanatory. In such case of what happened, it's pretty self explanatory...

This situation would have been greatly improved if Richard had actually have not simply been fine after being run over from a person escaping an obvious possible robbery / kidnapping whilst behind the steering wheel of a Washington vehicle & if the criminal masterminds that were after me did not simply follow me to the police station and had drove away recognizing there was likely to be police involved. It would have also been better if they did not ram me over purposely in front of the police, they may have felt they needed to achieve revenge for being earlier rammed themselves but it was unfortunate, it was my only escape route.

If required to decide if I am somehow purposely or maliciously seeking to avoid role-play please take into witness account of the following people who have witnessed my role-play in the last few days.

Tarion_Smith
Rick_Grey
Lionel_Valdes
Agent Carter
Team_Giusepe
Ms Jennifer_Luciano
Damien_Taylor
Marcel
My Balla associate which will avoid nameless in public as he will be persecuted if they knew he was talking to someone who was roleplay with law.
Mr Bugsy Grey
[H.R]Ellz
Mr Marco DeLuca
Mr Derek Kolta
Ms Lisa "The Pizza " <input surname here>
Claude_Winchester
Heller_Luciano

I am however sorry to see that the people will be now denied the ability of an active in-game court guy role player and unfortunately it just looks terrible that genuine players who may not be perfect, are being caught in something that would be useful against people who perhaps just come in game, ram, giggle and stunt around Pershing sq. As opposed to people who role-play.

 I sure hope there will also not be a repeat of all levels of players who after my previous ban enjoyed flooding my skype with demands for me to go seek an unban, or generally venting their fury about the decline of Argonath and silly notions of admin witch hunting on them. At this same time Argonath RPG as a server in its player count also declined in general.

I can say for certain I am not someone who seeks to avoid role-play. If on education of mistakes; I am more than willing to see the continue of any roleplay that could've been cut short. I would suggest further that the LSPD / SAPD seeks to prosecute the people who were witnessed on the video. Especially considering there are invisible cameras which are confirmed as not requiring an object or line of text but simple common sense to recognize. I used similar common sense when approached as shown in the video above.

I hope we can come to a resolve that is both beneficial for myself, the community (to continue the roleplays including many people that were cut short by myself being banned) and the to resolve the concern of the banning admin.

Personally I think that going on a roleplay server and avoiding a roleplay in an intentional way is very bad, but to punish people who commit things that are unfortunate but not the end of the world, perhaps the end for them if they get banned. A ban should be a a serious last resort situation in my opinion and not a first line of call; not something handed out willy nilly for people who have contributed a lot in many ways to the community...

Thank-you,

[Teddy]

What I see

- someone who rather than interacting, ran
- again, when interaction was possible, you shot and provoked the situation to escalate
- someone who is cocky and thinks they're essential to this community, you aren't, we'll be fine without a COO

You don't seem to think anything was wrong until that condition changes, this won't be resolved.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Hello, I will be representing myself in this case.

What I see

- someone who rather than interacting, ran
- again, when interaction was possible, you shot and provoked the situation to escalate

You don't seem to think anything was wrong until that condition changes, this won't be resolved.

Ok, myself asking what would someone else have done in such situation (shortly after the situation)  was a poor choice. I mean.
I did after all at-least try to use common sense; do you deny that?

Can we not at-least try to resolve the situation? I mean, I felt bad for Richard getting banned, I didn't make the report on "Avoiding roleplay" or him "Dming".
I was simply posting something to defend what I felt was the issue at hand that I didn't seek to avoid roleplay.

. Like you said, I shot at them, but as I mentioned above, I felt threatened and felt a reaction to ward off people (usually being shot, more so from infront of a police station from the direction of active law enforcement ) was something to flee from.

Sorry that I didn't think ahead and think the people in the car were able to comprehend "police station". The fact they were shot at would've ruled in their favor and I knew that but when you get squished in that direct situation when it was blatantly an aggressive move and it being samp where you simply get up... You make the most of the situation in that split second.

What I was also hoping was to manage to get safety in some sort. If it were in the way being aimed at by law enforcement... wouldn't mind. But as the officers there knew, from the 911 call, I was being chased and feared for my life. 
I mean, they clearly saw I was rushing infront of the PD so why did they follow me? What did they expect as people who were clear obvious pro mafia people with masks.

Running to a police station clearly was regarded as avoiding roleplay, I am sorry about that... but wait...

Sadly another thing people are struggling to comprehend about this;

Just because you run up to a player shouting "stop" does not mean they have to stop, no one in their right mind would stop when someone hostile runs up to them shouting at them to stop.
The same goes for this, just because a person doesn't stop and tries to run for cover or help when you approach them does not mean they are not roleplaying, it means they have common sense to escape.

That's hardly avoiding roleplay but looking for protection or assistance. Once you figure out the difference between those two factors perhaps there will be some hope.

I really am not seeing the issue, can you please highlight it for me Teddy?
I mean... if you're looking for a rule breaker, I guess you found one,, you really have. #NoMorePoliticalCorrectness. #BuildWalls #KeepEMOut

 But yea, I was just planning to be a assistant judge that day and being stopped in a clear suspicious felony non felony style stop whilst having heightened senses as a long term serving officer, I decided to do what most would've done. Escape first.
In fact I was taught either alongside yourself (in the FBI) that if you think you'd be taken hostage, do not allow it, escape.

I mean I began typing when they arrived at the LSPD to see what they wanted. Perhaps they wanted to give me a cookie but the fact they pulled out a gun earlier and had arrived in the way they did, cutting off my escape originally... "Back off" was something I wanted to say but was too busy getting rammed by someone who felt I purposely set out to ram them that day back when I needed to escape. I mean... instinct is a clear biotch isn't it?

- someone who is cocky and thinks they're essential to this community, you aren't, we'll be fine without a COO

If Censored = a single player who will likely be seen as defiant and not contributing to the consensus.

Idiot 2 : Avoiding to RP is like using /q to avoid an RP not driving away lmao
Idiot 3: So they expect when you have a way to run just to leave your self being kiddnaped ? (yawn)
Idiot 4/Hater 4: ... apparently knowing what a kidnap is and avoiding it is avoiding roleplay
Idiot 5: I don't think you should've been banned. You're not supposed to stop once someone tells you /s stop.
Idiot 5: You had a chance to escape,  so you did so
Idiot 6: Weird...  U didnt avoid rp afaik...
Idiot 7: Me: Sorry I'm banned. Idiot 7: What? Why?       Me: "Avoiding Roleplay"             Idiot 7: Jesus christ*
Idiot 8: Monte now i will post the contract    Me: Monte is now banned     Idiot8: how? When?        Me: Just a few minutes ago     Idiot 8: ... but what happened, how did you avoid? for that "roleplay" but you didn't avoid the rp you got a video about it
Idiot 9: yeah wtf is this non sense... how come you must interact with DMers?. 
Idiot 10: avoiding RP... dafuq
Idiot 11/ Hater 2...*

*Common sense does not compute*

Hater 1: i just saw it
Hater 1: i hope that they unban u
Hater 2: Please fill an unban appeal, and get back here, peole miss Judge Monte.       Self_Hate((ME)): But I wasn't even a Judge =D     *Hater 2/Idiot 7: you been RPing your ass off
Hater 3: Monte. Check your unban.
Hater 4/Idiot 4: lol @ teddy reply
Hater 5: I hope you get unbanned soon!

Clearly I matter not in the community in the slightest. The above people are those I do not even interact with. Of which 2 are not regular players on the server.



Perhaps we can get into the habit of being an interpreters of the actual situation based on what happened.

I suggest a mediator if this is something personal (by my interpretation of the message you wrote, you feel that me / my personality is not fit for the community). I mean we could go by the precedent set yourself in the capacity as "SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR" and continue to claim it's the peoples community. Yet we make little effort to follow out on such endeavors.

What does a father or mother teach their child when young? This is not kindergarten. It doesn't matter. Feed the children nothing but twinkies and deny them the right to sanity.
 
The point is, they (parents) like other people make that proactive effort to educate and not to give up constantly if things don't go our way...

I am not sure if you plan to have kids or what your thought is on wanting to hold peoples hands but the point is... you simply can not have everything your way...

Usually parents who do try and teach their children parent children who are happy and helpful in society even if they turn out to be the likes of myself, yourself or even that waste of space oppressive tyrant Gandalf who is constantly there 24/7 saying "NOPE. NOPE. NOPE". I mean if you're going to ask his opinions on situations or not do things you think are right, and that you think he's the problem to the community...

In this ban appeal, you could decide to say "bye" and leave it at that but it will clearly lead onto showing this isn't a community of the people. 

If that is not the case, "Peoples Project"... let's not ask what most people would've done in such situation, and even though they later had the option of role-playing, were clearly treated with a clear aggressive drive over approach, whilst I / they were in the middle of typing when they felt it was appropriate and they were not effectively allowed to be forced into being a prophylactic instead. I mean, if most people had a gun, they would've shot at the person to warn em off.

If it's also a community project as you have put it yourself, could we please begin avoiding the constant negativity? Humanity when relatively healthy are happy.
They are unhappy when things are not going so great and as a result we see haste orientated decisions, misinterpretation, confusion and simply closing the door on problems or erecting walls, or instilling excessive rules and guidelines that will defeat common sense in the pursuit of an un-needed fear that they need to fix the issue and this and not that is the cause. 

[Devin]

I'll throw something short in here;

>Approached and told to stop by people weilding guns
>Runs over one of the people approaching
>Runs to LSPD for help
>Gets hit by assailants vehicle
>Shoots at the assailant
>Runs for assistance after firing the first shot (Allowing them to then attack you seeing as you engaged them)
>Gets killed and gets others punished when you instigated the entire situation by shooting them for telling you to stop and knocking you with a car

Hello, I will be representing myself in this case.

That's generally how an unban request works, you handle it yourself. I would assume you would know that by now based on Parunis once active ban appeals board.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

I'll throw something short in here;

>Approached and told to stop by people weilding guns
>Runs over one of the people approaching
>Runs to LSPD for help
>Gets hit by assailants vehicle
>Shoots at the assailant
>Runs for assistance after firing the first shot (Allowing them to then attack you seeing as you engaged them)
>Gets killed and gets others punished when you instigated the entire situation by shooting them for telling you to stop and knocking you with a car


That's generally how an unban request works, you handle it yourself. I would assume you would know that by now based on Parunis once active ban appeals board.

I was more fearful that they'd produce evidence and I had no counter evidence (such as the case of desycned ramming) to say I was avoiding roleplay and I was of the belief I did not do that, I tried.

Sir I don't like being run over
As you said to richard

 "Montes path out of being boxed in was where you were standing so essentially you put yourself in harms way. You followed him to the PD, stopped behind him and as he exited the car you ran him over for whatever reason that may be. (( >>> this was the case>>>)) He then took a shot at you for that hostility and ran to the officers who told him to exit the PD."

The ban reason should be intent to dm if anything... I didn't fire at them to avoid roleplay... It was just a reaction to being squished.
I mean, I would not turn down the situation if it can be helped to b a total gangster.

That's generally how an unban request works, you handle it yourself. I would assume you would know that by now based on Parunis once active ban appeals board.

Well, with that... People fear they will not get a fair trial so... We take it to democracy there in  the case of constant ban evaders who claim lack of fair trial if legit unban made. Evidence of this is on the Paruni Community Skype Chat.

Also y'all know I can hardly handle a job on a roleplay server let alone a ban appeal for a roleplay server.. but I aint being an actual bitch am I ?

[Teddy]

No, you aren't being bitch surprisingly and fun fact this isn't Paruni.  We're not you and lets be honest, if we took to polling not many people would want you to stay. None of this is the point so I don't get why it's being mentioned here.

The main question is:

Did you or did you not exhaust any form of interaction at the initial point of contact?

I want a simple yes, or a no. Anything more and I'm denying you. Enough with all this novel writing bullshit. Just answer the question with a suitable answer; which in this case is a yes or a no.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

No, you aren't being bitch surprisingly and fun fact this isn't Paruni.  We're not you and lets be honest, if we took to polling not many people would want you to stay. None of this is the point so I don't get why it's being mentioned here.

The main question is:

Did you or did you not exhaust any form of interaction at the initial point of contact?

I want a simple yes, or a no. Anything more and I'm denying you. Enough with all this novel writing bullshit. Just answer the question with a suitable answer; which in this case is a yes or a no.

no

[Teddy]

Excellent. I'm glad we were able to get this sorted out as this is the main problem here.

Now the question is what do we do with you?

Are you going to make attempts if unbanned to exhaust options to interact?

[[NP]Monte Montague]

We had a bunch of negative feedback about this ban.  Many calling the ban reasoning stupid ass idiocy among other general negative negative things. People are confused. I think it has left the Community in general feeling just plain dumbstruck as they see it as oppression, persecution which it may not be.

Excellent. I'm glad we were able to get this sorted out as this is the main problem here.

Now the question is what do we do with you?
Are you going to make attempts if unbanned to exhaust options to interact?

In that situation I definitely didn't manage to 'exhaust myself' but yea... I tend to experience that later at nighttime after I get off...  my seat... for a late night stroll through the streets of London which usually turns into the need for acknowledgement of the local Chavs and Slavs.

Guides (and not UN GA summits) are a given if this new system is going to stay or sooner or later everyone will end up in the ban appeals section. As you know its all but a quick  /report and an eventual log check away...

Ones kismet can be determined from a lack of knowledge and sometimes it is simply due to psychopathic tendencies.
I myself have never considered lobotomy before but its  not good to rule things out entirely as a personal principle.

[Devin]

Please stop taking about irrelevant nonsense.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Please stop taking about irrelevant nonsense.

Are you going to make attempts if unbanned to exhaust options to interact?

Ok

[Devin]

What is the purpose of this topic? To be bloated as much as a spambots message or to get to the point?

[[NP]Monte Montague]

to get to the point

this

[Teddy]

Monte, perhaps you should spend less time on a thesaurus trying to sound smarter than you are. It actually makes you look... well dumb. There is a population of you here in this community that do that and it's frustrating as hell.

Any who back on point. You continue to fill this topic with bullshit rather than accepting the fact you did something wrong. You keep turning to your loyal fan club like we give a shit what they think. Though admittedly I doubt their existence considering the mountain of praise received for issuing the ban in the first place.

The simple fact that remains is that you didn't follow our new rules and as directed immediate bans are to be issued. You failed to attempt to interact at a point where the expectation to interact now exists. You did not attempt any roleplay method to achieve a desirable outcome for either party. You fucked up.

If the community is confused they are more that able to ask questions. We don't bite. More complex situations we will obviously be more kind in these early days of the implementation of this rule as we ourselves do begin to form understanding of them as they occur. However in your case is was blatantly attempting to avoid a roleplay situation. There was no complexity or doubt in this case.

If you cannot accept your wrongdoings and you continue to fill this was shit then you can try again in a few months. If you can contain yourself then we move forward with this and begin making progress. My patience with you runs thin already so select a response carefully and try to use less thesaurus.com and just use words and phrases within your vocabulary. Nobody here will judge you for sounding less sophisticated... really only those trying to sound more sophisticated than they can handle.

Hope you can understand this. You can ask for clarification if needed and I can word it in a much simpler way for you.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

I acknowledge the facts of what happened as has been made clear & agree to uphold the requests made.
I was agreeing earlier but I guess I bloated it out...
soz..