[Cannabis] Questions about ilegal farming.

[Link9rly]

I guess this answer applies to both your quotes:

1. Indeed, it would be nice to see more fairness, I do agree, cops have the advantage, the advantages you guys *potentially* could have is numbers, but the returning after death (immortality) cops have at the moment negates that.
2. But who decides what the correct balance is in fairness and also the balance between RP and Freeroam? The community? We're talking about a community in which the majority have "picked a side" and will therefore only see their own point of view.
3. We can't say "We're an RP server, the old days of Argonath are gone" in one breath, and in another say we "There are more options in the middle", that's too vague. Indeed, Argonath has taken steps towards more serious RP than in previous years, but even IC/OOC isn't strictly supported, it's optional.

1. That potential hasn't been reached since RS4. It's nowhere near as much of a problem as it was back then, especially now with the weed system as it would involve having multiple people sitting waiting for the weed to spawn. There's an average of 3 people and the response is usually a full cruiser, rancher or whatever the vehicle of the day is, full of fully equipped men. It also seems that FBI doesn't even have to suspect to kill people.

2. Why shouldn't the community decide it? Ask for polls. Open them up. See how many agree with the idea. Numbers speak.

3. But we can say that. We can say that we've left behind the awful criminal roleplay of the past where you had Sultans full of mafios saying "Stop" three times and opening fire. We've moved away from the godawful SRU bullshit we had or from a Hydra being pulled out for a Sabre or other slow car. People are getting banned for shitty roleplay now, as they should be and should've been a long time ago. We have changed but I'm guessing a minority of delusional fucks haven't come to terms with it. Just because we're establishing an actual standard of roleplay quality doesn't mean we're going to become a serious roleplay server. Stop being afraid of change, especially change that improves thing.

I'm not trying to be a dick about this, again, I agree with bits, but it's a totally split opinion. But the SAPD are:
1. Not meant to "chase suspect blips", ie, if there's a suspect in SF for "evading traffic stop", guys in LS aren't meant to run across half the map to deal with it.

This is what they do right now. The thing you're saying they don't do is what they do every day and I'm not sure how you can be so dense as to not see it. You're completely ignoring the previous posts and trying to worm your way around it. You know blips are a problem and they're abused on a daily basis. I'm not saying criminals don't abuse them either but don't fucking lie when you know it's true.

2. Not meant to pull someone over and assume they're creating meth just because they're in a Journey (okay they often intend to as there's no other real benefit to that vehicle, but we can't assume that)

This is also what's going on. We were AFK on the side of the road and Felipe Mendez and Darren Wilson came up to us and one of them even did "/em There would be empty glass bottles in the back of the truck." when the Journey's owner hadn't even installed meth equipment at that time. Within a couple of minutes, an FBI rancher shows up and they search it just because. Just a bit later, you have Matthew Carter, Team Eric and Peter among others pulling a Journey over before Mulholland Intersection. They assume this on a daily basis. I'm not sure how you function in the outside world with how mentally dense you are, man. I'm concerned for your well being.

As for me naming names? I don't give a shit anymore. Nobody will change if they're not shamed publically. It's just the way things have to be now. Feel free to call me out on my bullshit as well.

There's a few other things that if you look at the public section of the ARPD forums SA:MP section that SAPD Officers are not meant to be doing.

Because an officer would not voluntarily submit footage that would incriminate them? ... Take screenshots yourself (or use ShadowPlay, FRAPS as handily suggested before), and submit a court case to try and obtain the "footage" from the SAPD camera, then use your screenshots as if it were footage from the scene. Alternatively, use your own camera.

I'm just going to completely ignore this because I don't have the mental patience to tear this poor argument apart too. Sorry.

[Julio.]

I can see you're cruising round for an argument so I won't be providing you any reason to post here after this.

1. You ignored my last point because it's valid. Nothing to stop you requesting footage or recording your own.
2. Open the poll yourself, don't be lazy, it doesn't bother me but it clearly bothers you. You do it.
3. I didn't tell you what people are doing. I told you what the SAPD regulations say they SHOULD be doing. YOU report it if you have an issue. I'm not ignoring you, nor am I being dense. Are you so dense yourself that you interpreted my post as being what people ARE doing? Its clear I was stating what people SHOULD be doing, again, you're just loving an argument. - > This applies to both the meth and suspect blips
4. And yes, some mafioso guys do randomly open fire out of a Sultan like before.

No idea why you're slating me on a forum. Report the SAPD Officers if you have an issue. Open the polls yourself. Do the RP yourself to record footage (RP having a f**cking dashcam yourself).

If you've got an issue, deal with it and do the legwork yourself, because I don't mind how it is know, and I also wouldn't mind if every single change you suggested was implemented. Want to know why?... Because I'd find it fun either way.

Plus you have totally ignored a couple of suggestions I had which would have fixed the returning after death issue.

Out, peace.

[Mark]

3. But we can say that. We can say that we've left behind the awful criminal roleplay of the past where you had Sultans full of mafios saying "Stop" three times and opening fire.

Nope, this shit still happens and those "mafiosos" , or how they call themselves, are just less than before.

[Link9rly]

2. Open the poll yourself, don't be lazy, it doesn't bother me but it clearly bothers you. You do it.

There's been multiple polls opened and yet even now, people are changing their opinions even now when they're seeing how this bullshit still affects us.

3. I didn't tell you what people are doing. I told you what the SAPD regulations say they SHOULD be doing. YOU report it if you have an issue. I'm not ignoring you, nor am I being dense. Are you so dense yourself that you interpreted my post as being what people ARE doing? Its clear I was stating what people SHOULD be doing, again, you're just loving an argument. - > This applies to both the meth and suspect blips

No idea why you're slating me on a forum. Report the SAPD Officers if you have an issue. Open the polls yourself. Do the RP yourself to record footage (RP having a f**cking dashcam yourself).

I'd be glad to open one when this topic is closed. This has proven to be a great place for everybody to raise their concerns with the current system. I have reported police directly to their superiors, though. Too bad nothing ever gets done due to the way it's set up. Even high ranked officers beginning to see for themselves how stupid it can be. After a while, you lose faith and just give up in shit like that. I used to record footage constantly and cops complained when I used it. One person found it unfair that I RP'd having a dashcam video that lead to his temporary copban. That was the only time it actually amounted to anything.

If you've got an issue, deal with it and do the legwork yourself, because I don't mind how it is know, and I also wouldn't mind if every single change you suggested was implemented. Want to know why?... Because I'd find it fun either way.

Then why have you been poorly trying to defend the current system? You have completely contradicted yourself. If you actually would find either system fun, you wouldn't have been attempting to poorly defend your points.

1. You ignored my last point because it's valid. Nothing to stop you requesting footage or recording your own.

I didn't respond because you don't bother to read the same shit you're telling me to read.
Feel free to read it again and take a look at the spoiler a bit closer.

Nope, this shit still happens and those "mafiosos" , or how they call themselves, are just less than before.

Are you reporting to administration, though? They're becoming extinct due to change in administration. I've only seen a handful of these engagements myself thus far. I can only speak from experience.

[Marcel]

Can you please respond to the original topic which is WEED FARMING instead of your constant river of arguments that have no relation to it?

[Huntsman]

I am in no way an administrator, but by being six years here, I think I might have figured out how Argonath works by now
Q1: I guess you could, but it has to be roleplayed. I think the best option would be to engage in a roleplay situation with the person, try to threaten or scare him off first. If he doesn't roleplay and just goes ahead with his bussiness of stealing your weed, you should report him and he'll be punished, as avoiding RP now is a sever rulebreak that people get banned for.
Q2: I guess the same attitude applies here too.
Q3: As far as I'm aware, the police has to catch you in the act of harvesting or planting to link you to it.
Q4: You need to be smart.
Q5: I don't have an answer to that.
Q6: Once again, roleplay is the key here.
Q7: not sure about blocking, but i think they can harvest at anytime they see a grown plant to prevent a crime before it occurs.
Q8: Argonath Constitution states that only the interrior of the property counts as YOUR property. Everything else is the state's. Unless amendments are made to the constitution, legally you can't. Rule-wise, however, if it's roleplayed, I'm certain you could.

[Link9rly]

Can you please respond to the original topic which is WEED FARMING instead of your constant river of arguments that have no relation to it?

I did before somebody went on about something irrelevant. Here it is:

From the actual discussion had in here, this is what I can summarize it to.
>Perhaps consider adding the ability to randomly deactivate and activate certain fertile plots. It would certainly make it more time consuming to go from weed field to weed field.
>Remove blips as they lead people to what are supposed to be hidden fertile plots. They ruin secrecy and just turn it into a game of king of the hill led by squares on the minimap. It seriously cannot be argued that blips aren't related to the problem.
>Treat everyone as a mortal human. If you're dead, you shouldn't return after death. What's the point of worrying about consequences if you have immortality privileges? For example, if a single officer finds the weed field and dies before calling for backup there, he can just respawn and do it then.
>Add indoor weed farming. It should yield less than planting outside in the field but in turn have a reduced risk of being caught.
>Add /burnweed for officers and possibly for civilians too. It would be nice to have the chance of a massive wedge like this being thrown into a weed operation.

I can go into these points in depth if you want. This is related to weed spots very closely.