Tasing players who are actively shooting (Rush Tazing)

[Julio.]

Word of advice have some kind of recording software on at all times, just like I do with my shadowplay records the last 20 mins. Its like real life you litreally have to record everything.

My computer moans about memory usage when I use the integrated Windows 10 one, I don't know whether it's caching it in the RAM or something but it's definitely irritating...

[.Matthew.]

Love how criminals always jump into every single topic made against the cops, while whatever is thrown at us, on Law side, we always stick it up our ass and keep it there and move along. Yet, when something comes against criminals, like taser (ironically there's a topic about it already :O), it automatically becomes subject to rebellion, riots and shitstorms on forum. And then since Argonath is built of 90% tough criminals who you wanna step aside and let them show you their notoriety (gotten by annoying cops and hiding in a random house in whole map, using /Vehicles to respawn your vehicle outside so we can't find you anyhow and being there until escape), HQ instantly comes in bowing down to those and listening to their constant complaints against the cops. We were just today on skype discussing how maybe we should start shitting on every feature criminals get just to annoy the HQ and get them to do what we ask for.

Honestly, show me how many topics were made by cops against criminal features and how many topics were made by criminals against cop features. Then once you find them all, calculate the percentage and difference between the two numbers. If you expect us to continuously eat shit just because the majority decides to complain about it and make shitstorm about every feature we get, then you're wrong because time will come when it will cause bigger issues. Stand up for once and tell them to quit moaning about every f**cking feature that gets implemented for the cops.

Also, begging you, make a role swap event for a week and we'll show to every single tough guy out there how easy it'll be for us to escape every attempt of getting shit against us, especially for court. It'll be best possible way to show them how easy it is for us to be criminals and how hard it'll be for them to be cops.

And no, not saying I support people tasing those who shoot at them with lethal weapon, I'm just pointing out how every time there's a feature made for cops it becomes subject to shitstorms and rebellions, while whenever criminals get features like notoriety, I could write essays about how abused and easily gained it is nowadays, still I stick it up and keep it in skype.

[TiMoN]

Love how criminals always jump into every single topic made against the cops, while whatever is thrown at us, on Law side, we always stick it up our ass and keep it there and move along. Yet, when something comes against criminals, like taser (ironically there's a topic about it already :O), it automatically becomes subject to rebellion, riots and shitstorms on forum. And then since Argonath is built of 90% tough criminals who you wanna step aside and let them show you their notoriety (gotten by annoying cops and hiding in a random house in whole map, using /Vehicles to respawn your vehicle outside so we can't find you anyhow and being there until escape), HQ instantly comes in bowing down to those and listening to their constant complaints against the cops. We were just today on skype discussing how maybe we should start shitting on every feature criminals get just to annoy the HQ and get them to do what we ask for.

Honestly, show me how many topics were made by cops against criminal features and how many topics were made by criminals against cop features. Then once you find them all, calculate the percentage and difference between the two numbers. If you expect us to continuously eat shit just because the majority decides to complain about it and make shitstorm about every feature we get, then you're wrong because time will come when it will cause bigger issues. Stand up for once and tell them to quit moaning about every f**cking feature that gets implemented for the cops.

Also, begging you, make a role swap event for a week and we'll show to every single tough guy out there how easy it'll be for us to escape every attempt of getting shit against us, especially for court. It'll be best possible way to show them how easy it is for us to be criminals and how hard it'll be for them to be cops.

I am in no shape or form shitting over cops or FBI, I was pointing out an unfair advantage that should never exist in the server, not because it gives cops obvious advantage(which I never complained about), but because it's ruin the whole point of shooting cops.

[Julio.]

We could always talk about how much cops get paid for an arrest compared to how much criminals have been making from meth and weed 

[TiMoN]

We could always talk about how much cops get paid for an arrest compared to how much criminals have been making from meth and weed 

I'm too lazy to quote how many times I asked for higher cop payments.

[Khm]

If the majority of the players (new players aside) aren't capable of using a script then why are you still thinking in keeping it and enforce rules? It's just turned into a Cops versus Criminals topic yet again..

[.Matthew.]

If the majority of the players (new players aside) aren't capable of using a script then why are you still thinking in keeping it and enforce rules? It's just turned into a Cops versus Criminals topic yet again..

It always does. Argonath is criminals versus cops. The number of cops, criminals compared to number of neutral lawful citizens is insanely big. And considering that criminals always end up making a topic against a feature cops get when they see one or two abuse it, instead of reporting it properly in the appropriate website, they make a topic in argonath forum in which other criminals join it to rebel against the feature and say how they were abused even if they haven't been. Just to make it look like a big issue, just how they do in the "cops can't return after death" topic. They claim SAPD became more organized and stuff while SAPD hasn't changed a single rule or way of how they operate. People just say it so the rule stays, doesn't matter if they haven't actually seen a change in how SAPD operates, they'll say positive thing just so the rule can stay. Same thing when there's topic against cop features, they'll all claim being abused and terrorized by it when in reality they might've seen one or two abused it.

[Leonardo]

Also, begging you, make a role swap event for a week and we'll show to every single tough guy out there how easy it'll be for us to escape every attempt of getting shit against us, especially for court. It'll be best possible way to show them how easy it is for us to be criminals and how hard it'll be for them to be cops.

An off-topic remark: That already happened, a long time ago. SWAT patrols of Corleones/Gvardias were routine shit. If you wanna know how that end, hit me up somewhere.

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Regarding to the topic, it obviously completly lost the focus since Drix posted an overheated remark there, and it was petty obvious it'd end with people posting reactions and memes. Having a discussion on Argonath seems close to impossible.

Like, what does this reply has to do with the thread?

We could always talk about how much cops get paid for an arrest compared to how much criminals have been making from meth and weed 

Anyway, i do not see how a missclick could be an excuse to the taser. The taser is a typed-out command, if the officer is not certain of what he should be yielding at the time, then have a pepper spray or a baton, instead of a Taser, having the option to quickly pull his side-arm IF needed. The SAPD/FBI should by padron, enforce regulations against the abusive usage of the taser, and perhaps the server administration review parallel cases (ex. freecops).

[.Matthew.]

An off-topic remark: That already happened, a long time ago. SWAT patrols of Corleones/Gvardias were routine shit. If you wanna know how that end, hit me up somewhere.

Would absolutely love to see it in current Argonath.

[Vaeldious]

Gonna weigh in here. I see the tazer being tied directly to notoriety loss.

Most of the time ive been a law abiding citizen, short of TS evasions while racing or growing weed. I'd never really had a need for notoriety, black market etc for my style of roleplay. The economy has blossomed quite a bit with the 5.2 rollouts, even notorious criminals making a ton of money just middle man dealing at the black market (15k for meth equipment). That being said, its been a fun challenge this last week to try to get to level 3 (Ghost). A completely different aspect of the same server, it was like it was brand new all over again. Took me a couple days to get close (2600 i think it was), when I found myself in this same kind of circumstance. I was producing meth and was discovered by a LEO. I was able to ditch my Journey and make it to an Elegy, and ran around the map. I got cornered in, and even while open firing at officers, got hit with a tazer.

Of course, loosing notoriety sucked. It was disappointing. It also felt like no matter what, there was no roleplay way out of the situation to keep notoriety. I know you win some, you loose some....this just felt like winning was never an option. That makes you not even want to play. Why bother trying to build notoriety if it can be taken so easily (even by a harassing cop during a routine traffic stop). Ive had police officers gleefully tell me that their only intention was to make me loose notoriety. At least prior to tazer, there was always a slim chance of success or escape. It kept the game fun.

I'm not against tazer as a whole, because just like irl, cops want to apprehend you, not leave a bloody carcass on the street. Tazer just feels like a game-over/revenge mechanism. I am for some kind of measure of it if combat is already initiated to the point of lethal force being authorized (IE the suspect shooting), then tazer should be unable to be drawn. No officer with common sense or training is going to go for a tazer while bullets fly by unless their intent is specific to the "hey i can end this shootout in 1click no matter what and take their notoriety watch them rage" mentality.

TBH, now that Ive cooled off and not so agitated about loosing notoriety, I'm actually looking forwards to regaining it again. Gives me a reason to get back on tomorrow, instead of "oh well I have access to everything so im gonna sit in this compound". Not only that, but its helped me develop my roleplay skills as a criminal. But there is definitely a balance of power issue with it in practice that needs to be addressed.

[Ben.]

No-one's ever happy with what they've got, in Argonath.
SAPD were given some new toys, like the taser and lockable tolls - Criminals complain.
Criminals were given opportunity to grow weed in new places - Cops complain.
SAPD told they can't return after death - Criminals gloat, cops complain.
Teddy writes a topic commenting on criminal's "RP" - Cops gloat, criminals complain.

It's predictable!

I'm starting to think that this is why the owner's didn't originally want to give the SAPD lots of fancy scripts for things which can be quite easily roleplayed without script enforcement.

http://www.argonathrpg.com/index.php?topic=38482.0
See link to Argonath Vision, which is still in place. Let's show some common sense (as per points 4 and 5 of the Vision) instead of just moaning.


The SAPD has proper channels for dealing with issues related to SAPD members - Probably a better idea to raise it there than write a complaint topic here.

[Devin]

Argonath Vision has been recycled.

[Mobius]

Argonath Vision has been recycled.

 

[Link9rly]

Argonath Vision has been recycled.

[Ben.]

Argonath Vision has been recycled.

Not according to my forum inbox!